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To: CommerceComet
I am trying to discuss the point I make in the OP about people running around not knowing what is going on. Many think Dec 21 2012 is a big deal.

Here is some more of my perspective that comes from my understanding of the role of Israel in end times.

One day the USA will be part of the one world government ruled by the antichrist. Israel will be the only separate nation. I see it as a superpower.

241 posted on 05/21/2011 3:21:12 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

Marbren wrote:
“Here is some more of my perspective that comes from my understanding of the role of Israel in end times. One day the USA will be part of the one world government ruled by the antichrist. Israel will be the only separate nation. I see it as a superpower.”

In your post 21 you stated: “I was raised Lutheran.”

So, you abandoned the church of the Reformation for “my perspective”, “my understanding,” and “I see it ...”? May I say, with no intent to belittle or offend, that you abandoned what you never really did understand or, perhaps better, what was never fully and adequately taught you.


246 posted on 05/21/2011 4:23:33 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: marbren
This is a result of 20+ years of independent study?

One day the USA will be part of the one world government ruled by the antichrist. Israel will be the only separate nation. I see it as a superpower.

I take it that you don't buy into Divine Apartheid.

The brief version of it goes like this:

Genesis 11:1-9 The people of the earth had one language of speech and they gathered together as one nation and sought to make a name for themselves. God was displeased and then "scattered them abroad over the face of the earth"

For thousands of years man has been at each other's throat. Then we read at Pentecost, Acts 2, where men of different languages were unified under the power of the Paraclete to be one body of believers in the one name of Jesus Christ.

As the bumper sticker summarizes:"No Jesus, No Peace. Know Jesus Know Peace"

Also, you have presented yourself as a free-lance ad hoc Dispensationalist with more wisdom and spiritual knowledge than all of our forefathers since the apostles. So riddle me this: How do you deal with the "kings" not "princes" or "governors" in this end-times passage?

Rev 19:19-20 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army."
This precedes your alleged Millennium where Satan is bound, and where Jesus spends the next thousand years making animal blood sacrifices to himself cooped up in the Temple. Notice the plural "kings" and "armies". How does that work out in a one-world government model? And don't say that is a people group because 13:17 distinguishes nations from "tribes and tongues" as an entity even larger that encompasses them.
Matt 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places."

Again, how do you explain separate nations and kingdoms under a one world government? With a one world government, how do you get wars? That would be like Texans dropping bombs on California and there is no intervening army or authority to stop it. Granted there is talk in other threads about an inevitable civil war, but that goes more into the theme of making more sovereign nations, not consolidation under one overbearing tyrant.

In Acts 17:26, we are shown that God has "made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings..." Why? "so that they should seek the LORD in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him.".

Interesting that God would look down at Babel, see that the people did not seek after God but would rather make a name for themselves, thus God drove them to form many nations so in doing they might seek after Him. Now the LORD who desires to be found and determines the boundaries of each nation and appoints their leaders and establishes all governments is somehow going to go against His own Revelation of Himself and make a one world government that would keep people from seeking Him.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

281 posted on 05/21/2011 6:39:25 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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