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To: Alex Murphy
in 1536 killed for the crime of publishing the New Testament in English

False. He was tried and convicted of heresy in Belgium. (The bill of indictment, IIRC, lists several charges, none of which are "published the New Testament in English". And why would people in Belgium care, anyway? They didn't speak English.)

Paradoxically, Tyndale took the Pope's side against Henry VIII over the question of the latter's marriage to Katharine of Aragon. Tyndale was hunted down and "fingered" to the Belgian authorities by an agent of a (by then) Protestant king.

2 posted on 05/06/2011 11:15:03 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

Thanks, Campion. Always nice to have the facts straight.


3 posted on 05/06/2011 11:25:04 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Campion
Correct on all counts.

The Tudors were a notoriously dysfunctional family who cared more about political power and the privileges of the ruling class than anything else.

It is debatable whether Henry VIII or Mary was the worst. My vote would go to Henry because 70,000 Englishmen (out of a population of 2.5 million) were executed for mostly petty crimes and perceived acts of treason during his reign. Mary had more people butchered on an annualized base, but her reign was mercifully short.

England controlled vast territories in present day France before the Tudor clan came to power. By the time the Grim Reaper came for Mary, they had nothing and their very survival as a nation was in peril. Religion meant nothing to the Tudors except a tool to achieve and hold political power.

It is precisely these type of experiences and the subsequent events which they spawned (the English Civil War, the misrule by the Stuart clan, the Salem Witch trials, etc.) which led our founding fathers to forbid the establishment of any state religion on the national level.

A lot of Catholic haters like to parade out these type of atrocities as proof Catholicism is false. All they really do is prove that any religion cooped by the state and political tyrants can be perverted to false ends. In the case of the martyrdom of Tyndale, they can't even involve the Catholic Church by proxy. But that doesn't fit their agenda. So the actual facts are simply ignored.

9 posted on 05/06/2011 11:57:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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