Posted on 05/04/2011 10:56:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Pulleeez!
Who do you suppose carried them around for 1500 years before you guys got ahold of them?
Luther threw out the books he didn’t like, we didn’t “add” anything! “actually”
Faith is no good if it is alone:
You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. (James 2:19)Luther edited St. James' Epistle out of the Luther bible. Luther's arrogant disregard for Scripture is no better than that of Thomas Jefferson, who followed in the footsteps of Luther to create his own truncated bible.
Christ Jesus teaches:
"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me." (John 14:21)
Luther discounts the power of grace to overcome sinfulness in the heart of the penitent.
There was no "closed" Catholic canon until AFTER the reformation ... At that time Rome added books that had previously not been in the canon for their own purposes..
“The Apostles didn’t believe in Sola Scriptura.”
I get it! Because the New Testament hadn’t been written yet.
God himself established His Church through His only Son. Luther disregarded the glory of God by opposing the Church founded by Christ and His Apostles with a "new improved" man-made religion.
I hate to think where we’d be without the Jarheads.
The New Testament was finalized for Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in the Forth Century by St. Athanasios. Luther deleted the Epistle of James from the "Protestant canon" but Protestants quietly put it back a couple centuries later.
Where is “sola scripture” written in the Bible?
And I don’t mean with the words that Luther added to the Bible!!!!
Ha! It would take a powerful lot of arguing to convince me of that.
Nope.. there was no OFFICIAL canon until Trent..
Luther did not remove james from the canon .... Even up to the late 4th century, the book of James had not even been quoted in the west. Luther was not the only one that questioned it as inspired. but he never remove it
.Rome added to the OT at Trent..something they had NO AUTHORITY to do..
The OT belongs to the jews ... not Rome
The books Rome added
1) are not Christocentric and they do not claim for themselves what Rome claims for them
2) They were accepted as inspired by the jewish people to whom God entrusted them and with whom they originated
3) The jews reject them as part of their canon
4) They contain teachings that are inconsistent with the rest of the Bible and often contradict themselves
5)Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which is the language of the OT
6)They were not placed with the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the church
BTW Athanasios rejecter the North African provincial councils which added the books FOR LOCAL use..
The books Baruch, Tobit, Maccabees, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom and parts of Daniel and Esther were all included in the Septuagint that Jesus and the apostles used. Here are references from the Septuagint that appear in the Gospels. There are many more that appear in the Acts and the Epistles. I would say if those books were good enough for Jesus to reference, they are good enough for me.
Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.
Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.
Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
Luke 1:42 - Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.
Luke 1:52 - Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.
Luke 2:29 - Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.
Luke 13:29 - the Lord’s description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.
Luke 21:24 - Jesus’ usage of “fall by the edge of the sword” follows Sirach 28:18.
Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 - Luke’s description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.
John 1:3 - all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.
John 3:13 - who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.
John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus’, Luke’s and Paul’s usage of “signs and wonders” follows Wisdom 8:8.
John 5:18 - Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.
John 6:35-59 - Jesus’ Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.
John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.
John 10:36 – Jesus accepts the inspiration of Maccabees as He analogizes the Hanukkah consecration to His own consecration to the Father in 1 Macc. 4:36.
John 15:6 - branches that don’t bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.
Please tell me what words Luther to the bible?
Go on line and look at the books that are found in the Hebrew Canon ... PSSSSS not one of the deuterocanonicals will be found.. those books were added to the OT canon by Trent.. they had no right to do this as the Jews are the oracles of God for the OT .. they were never given to the Roman church..they remain Gods revelation to the jews ..
Not ONE of them are a DIRECT quote nor were any of them introduced with Thus says the Lord ... or were ever introduced as scripture
BTW when you paste and copy you are to cite your source..
Think about it; this article preaches scripture alone, faith alone, and grace alone...All at once.
If you have faith alone alongside scripture alone, then guess what? Neither one is alone.
If you subscribe to multiple solas at once, then none of them remain sola.
Logic fail.
Catholic myth ..Luther NEVER removed a book from the NT.. HOWEVER Rome added books to the OT that were never a part of the jewish Canon ...Protestants have the same canon as the Hebrew Bible.. The OT belongs to the jews and was placed in their care not Rome..Rome had no divine authority to add to the OT..those scriptures were given to the Jews by God.. they are divine revelation TO THEM and written by OT prophets.. IN HEBREW the language of the OT
Now for Sola scriptura
Lets define it first
" What then is sola scriptura? " The doctrine of sola scriptura, simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone are sufficient to function as the regula fide, the "rule of faith" for the Church. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience. "
Jesus believed in Sola scriptura, Never did Jesus refer to oral tradition to prove or defend truth.He always referred back to scriptures
The only time Jesus spoke to oral tradition it was to object to it,
Mark 7 : 7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Jesus used scripture more that a 100 times in His teachings, but never oral tradition..
Matthew 4:1-11. Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN"
Luke 10:26-28
26He said unto him,B> What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Acts 17: 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (the correct definition of sola scriptura)
2 Timothy 3:from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
1 Corth.4: 6And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
2 Corinthians 1:13For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end"
1 Corth 14:37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment. The Church Fathers believed in Sola Scriptura:
"They[heretics] gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures...We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith" - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3.1.1 - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3.1.1 Sola Scriptura ! "I beg of you, my dear brother, to live among these books [scripture], to meditate upon them, to know nothing else, to seek nothing else." - Jerome (Letter 53:10)
Sola Scriptura !
"There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practice piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn; and as the Father wills our belief to be, let us believe; and as He wills the Son to be glorified, let us glorify Him; and as He wills the Holy Spirit to be bestowed, let us receive Him. Not according to our own will, nor according to our own mind, nor yet as using violently those things which are given by God, but even as He has chosen to teach them by the Holy Scriptures, so let us discern them."
- Hippolytus, Against Noetus, ch 9
Sola Scriptura !
"For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?"
- Ambrose (On the Duties of the Clergy, 1:23:102)
Sola Scriptura !
"We use Scripture to answer heresy and preceive that it is power and truth."
- Basil the Great
Sola Scriptura !
“Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.”
- Gregory of Nyssa (d.ca, 395) “On the Holy Trinity”, NPNF, p. 327
“We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of the Scripture."
- Basil the Great (ca.329–379) On the Holy Spirit, 7.16
Sola Scriptura !
“Neither dare one agree with catholic bishops if by chance they err in anything, but the result that their opinion is against the canonical Scriptures of God.”
- Augustine (354–430) De unitate ecclesiae, 10
Sola Scriptura !
“For our faith rests on the revelation made to the Prophets and Apostles who wrote the canonical books.”
- Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) Summa Theologiae, Question 1, Art. 8
Sola Scriptura!
"For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life,--to wit, hope and love, of which I have spoken in the previous book. After this, when we have made ourselves to a certain extent familiar with the language of Scripture, we may proceed to open up and investigate the obscure passages, and in doing so draw examples from the plainer expressions to throw light upon the more obscure, and use the evidence of passages about which there is no doubt to remove all hesitation in regard to the doubtful passages."
- Augustine (On Christian Doctrine, 2:9)
Sola Scriptura !
Only the scriptures contain the teaching of the apostles and they speak to us through , and that voice is louder and more perfect than any man made tradition !
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