[big'ol_freeper]

RE: before I we rush him to into recognized Saint status

Quite an ego you have there Pope Yossarian

[Yossarian]

Quite an ego you have there Pope Yossarian

Ho ho ho! I'm no pope, but I recognize that Saint designation is a RECOGNITION of some soul's existing "saint" status, and NOT a CREATION of that status.

Furthermore, who are YOU to tell ME that we shouldn't pursue justice against deviant priests buggering OUR CHILDREN!

I'm Catholic to the Core, but those that bring an individual like the Pope into the cult of personality sicken me. You want a cult of personality, do it with CHRIST.

(And to answer any Protestants out there seeing this as a crack in the idea of a Pope, well, the Pope has authoritative teaching concerning matters of faith and morals. Protection of those who abused children is a horrible lapse in applying correct morals.)

[MrEdd]

Quite an ego you have there Pope Yossarian

Quite the indignation you have when pedophile defenders get held accountable for their actions, big'ol_freeper.

JPII was a mixed bag. If you put him on a pedestal, all of him goes there.

Better a millstone had hung around his neck....

While we can not know the hearts of others, we can judge them by their actions. Victims of institutionalized pedophilia singly and in groups addressed JPII about what was going on throughout his papacy - as they had his predecessors, and things were not addressed significantly until the courts forced a change.

That fact is undeniable at this point - it is a matter of public record through the court proceedings.

The only thing being debated legitimately at this point is whether it was okay to hide this, and if it was not okay - just how bad was it to do that.

I come down on the side of really, really bad.