Posted on 04/24/2011 12:47:23 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
As I’ve heard it, Revelations was included in the Bible on something like a 5/4 vote. I’d have voted against it if I’d been there.
Human beings, in spite of their incredible arrogance in believing that they are responsible for what is in the Bible, had nothing to do with it.
The book of Revelation gives us the details of what will happen during the Tribulation. It's wise for everyone to read it.
Believe that if you want to....
The info preceding the article says it all: pretrib.org, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum. Thus the article represents the Dispensational Premillennialist view. It is not the only premillennialist game in town, but it is presented as if it were. I am premillennialist also, but I am neither pretrib nor Dispensationalist.
The problem with the pretrib/dispensationalist view, is it entirely Old Testament specific, they were still under the law, under the schoolmaster, when they wrote the prophecies of the Old Testament. The New Testament is the New Covenant, which is superior revelation. OT prophecy should be interpreted in light of the new.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)
Not one word there about men having anything to do with what's in the Bible.
You bet your bottom dollar I believe that human beings had nothing to do with what's in the Bible.
Why would you have voted against the book of Revelation being part of the Bible? Is it the apocalyptic imagery you don’t like?
Otherwise, while you're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, it's really irrelevant in light of Biblical truth.
Produce some Scripture, or your post is simply your own opinion.
>> “As I’ve heard it, Revelations was included in the Bible on something like a 5/4 vote.” <<
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In God’s poll, it was 10:0 in favor.
Without “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” (Rev 1:1), commonly called the Book of Revelations, there is no final chapter to the Word of God. It is the perfect summation to the first four chapters of Genesis.
God - mankind - Satan - mankind’s Redeemer all things restored to the perfect condition.
P.S. If you think that God’s Word was put together by committee, I mean REALLY put together by committe, you’ve really missed the point of the “theopneustos”.
(ll Timothy 3:16)!!!
Without “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” (Rev 1:1), commonly called the Book of Revelations, there is no final chapter to the Word of God. It is the perfect summation to the first four chapters of Genesis.
God - mankind - Satan - mankind’s Redeemer all things restored to the perfect condition.
P.S. If you think that God’s Word was put together by committee, I mean REALLY put together by committe, you’ve really missed the point of the “theopneustos”.
(ll Timothy 3:16)!!!
P46 is the second New Testament manuscript in the Chester Beatty collection (P. II), and was a codex that contained the Pauline Epistles dating c. 200. What remains today of the manuscript is roughly 85 out of 104 leaves consisting of Romans chapters 5-6, 8-15, all of Hebrews, Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Colossians, virtually all of 1–2 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians 1-2, 5. The leaves have partially deteriorated, resulting in the loss of some lines at the bottom of each folio. The manuscript split up between the Chester Beatty Library and the University of Michigan. Scholars do not believe the Pastoral epistles were included originally in the codex, based on the amount of space required in the missing leaves; they conclude 2 Thessalonians would have occupied the final portion of the codex. The inclusion of Hebrews, a book that was questioned canonically and not considered authored by Paul, is notable. The placement of it following Romans is unique against most other witnesses, as is the ordering of Galatians following Ephesian. P. III is the last New Testament manuscript, P47, and contains 10 leaves from the Book of Revelation, chapters 9-17. This manuscript also dates to the 3rd century, and Kenyon describes the handwriting as being rough.
The Chester Beatty papyri sate to apprx 200 AD, well before any hierarchy. IOW, Christians knew The Revelation of Jesus Christ was Scripture before anyone had the hubris to think a vote was needed.
May want to read the last 5 verses of Christ’s Revelation to John.
God put every single book into His Bible that He wanted in there.
He didn't need the help of men, and did not obtain the help of men.
>> “The problem with the pretrib/dispensationalist view, is it entirely Old Testament specific, they were still under the law, under the schoolmaster, when they wrote the prophecies of the Old Testament. The New Testament is the New Covenant, which is superior revelation.” <<
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What drivel!
Superior Revelation? - Did a new God get elected in heaven?
All revelation is of the Holy Spirit, and the OT and NT are in perfect agreement. The law has nothing to do with the prophecies, and Daniel matches Revelation in every way.
The real issue is that so many fail to recognize that most prophecies will repeat three times, in ever smaller time frames.
All of the prophecies written in Revelation has run twice up to chapter 13, and the third run is in motion currently.
The first instance of the “little Horn” was Antiochus Eppiphanes, and the second was the Papacy in general. Soon a specific pope will be the third. Ratzinger has stated his own belief that the pope to follow him will be the last, thus that would be the ultimate Third Horn.
One of the things I like about Jesus is that his mission appears to have been entirely within the world of common people. There is nothing in the Bible about Jesus sitting on some mountaintop for five years hoping to attain “Enlightenment(TM)”, flying off to heaven on a magic carpet and and claiming ownership of Beijing because he saw it on the carpet ride, or sitting around in some cave for 20 years until he started to hallucinate. Like I say, I’d have voted against it.
How about the NT book of Hebrews for starters. You can’t see the superiority of the new covenant over the old with all its bulls and goats, etc.? Heb. 10 says the entire OT system was “shadows of good things to come.”
And how about Colossians 2:16,17 which has OT meat and drink, holydays (the feast days), new moons, and sabbaths, as shadows of things to come? Its the body of Christ that is superior (verse 17) to the old, can’t you see this?
You don’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible then. Yes, he came as a man, but still fully man and fully God. Now that he has taken the punishment for our sins, he has returned to his glory, and when he comes again, it will be in his full glory. He said this many times, not the least in the Olivet discourse. You either have to believe what Jesus said about himself or call him a madman. You’ve made God in your image, not the other way around.
Produce scripture you say. Where to start, how about the pretrib rapture upon which the whole dispensational system rests? Since this thread’s focus is the book of Revelation and the thousand years, how about there?
I think you will agree with me that chapters 6-19 is the tribulation section, chapter 20 is the thousand years reign of Christ after the tribulation. Why is it then that the Revelation reveals two resurrections, one before the millennial, and one after it, yet it only reveals one coming of Christ (chapter 19)?
If there were a coming of Christ before the tribulation, then we would see it describing a coming of Christ before the tribulation and one after it, just as clear as we see a resurrection before the millennial, and one after it.
Isn’t the job of the book of Revelation to reveal? Then why doesn’t it reveal a coming of Christ before the tribulation just as clearly as it reveals a resurrection before the millennial? If the pretrib second coming were true it would. Something as important as a coming of Christ before the tribulation would not be left to conjecture, it would be as clearly stated as the resurrection is in chapter 20.
The Bible is words on paper. It didn’t just drop from heaven.
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