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To: little jeremiah
God’s position and conciousness cannot be imitate by human beings.

I'm not familiar with all the terminology or intricacies of your pagan religion but isn't it basically pantheistic? ya know... we all have a spark of divinity or some such? God is in everything... yada yada. What exactly is God's "position" and what is it about his consciousness that cannot be imitated?

Moral absolutes are essentially the same in every religion, that is why they are absolutes.

To some extent, yes, but the question is which of those so-called absolutes we want the government to enforce will be based on from where different religions believe those absolutes are derived. Pagan religions believe that individuals can achieve some level of morality that gains them other worldly benefits.

We Christians believe that individuals are unable to achieve any level of morality that will earn them an other worldly paradise. We rely on a substitute who has already earned it for us. We realize our moral corruption and yet God is willing to accept us for the work of another. That's why we show mercy to our fellow man. We're no better morally than he is and we should show the same mercy to him as God showed to us. Jesus gave a good parable about this in the Bible of the two debtors. Check it out!

As far as what morals a Christian wants the government to enforce we look to our Holy Scriptures and especially the Ten Commandments. We generally refer to those sayings as divided into two tablets. The first tablets describes our requirements to God and the second tablet describes our requirements to our fellow man. So Christians generally refer only to the 2nd tablet to inform the magistrate as to what he needs to enforce. The 2nd tablet can be summarized as not inflicting any coercion, theft, or fraud against your neighbor. So that's it. Any other so-called absolute is not mentioned in the 2nd tablet.

Moralists of any stripe are all the same. They always contradict themselves claiming they want what's best for their neighbor when in reality they only want to impose their own selfish interests.

61 posted on 04/25/2011 2:48:28 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

Hinduism is essentially monotheist, you misunderstand but many people do.

Your statement:

“Moralists of any stripe are all the same. They always contradict themselves claiming they want what’s best for their neighbor when in reality they only want to impose their own selfish interests.”

Makes no sense. You are basically saying anyone who promites morality is bad; ie - immoral. You sound like a libertarian who wants no holds barred porn, dope, prostitution and homo-agenda everything.

IOW, an immoralitst. People wither promote morality or immorality. Your choice. I make my choice clear. I guess you do too, since you fault me for not supporting dope, porn, prostitution and the homo-agenda.


62 posted on 04/25/2011 3:03:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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