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To: SoothingDave

There is an astonishing amount of willful blindness involved in when claiming salvation by faith alone is only found in one scriptural reference and that it is contradicted in that reference:

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, NOT of WORKS, lest anyone should boast.”

Romans 11:5-6 “Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.”

Galatians 2:16,21 “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Yes faith without works is dead, which means anyone who claims to have faith in Christ but does not produce good fruit does not have a genuine faith. James said in chapter 2 that he shows his faith by his works - his works prove he has faith. Therefore, the genuine faith comes first which leads to salvation and produces good fruit in the life of the believer.


203 posted on 04/21/2011 1:13:37 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Turtlepower

“Works of the law” means something.

You can quote Scripture to try to negate other Scripture, but it’s not a very convincing argument.

If instead of caricaturing Catholics as Pelagian, an honest attempt to understand the Catholic view of the economy of salvation were made, then you would see why we do not believe that works (and certainly not “works of the law”) save us.

But where is the fun in that?


204 posted on 04/21/2011 1:33:14 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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