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To: verdugo
The position Hilton refutes here is now the orthodox one and goes under the name Baptism of Desire, though in his own time it was, at best, a probable opinion

The Council of Trent taught dogmatically that either baptism or the desire of it was required for salvation. (The Latin of the decree is aut voto eius. A Feeneyite gentleman of my acquaintance tried to tell me that aut voto eius meant "and the desire of it". That's false; any Latin dictionary proves it quickly.)

156 posted on 04/20/2011 5:15:37 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

Who is Hilton?


158 posted on 04/20/2011 5:17:58 PM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Campion
re:The Council of Trent taught dogmatically that either baptism or the desire of it was required for salvation.

Trent taught that either baptism or the desire of it was required for justification (not salvation as you wrote).There's a big difference.

The problem with baptism of desire, is that it splitting hairs, asking the question: What happens to a person who is pre-justified before receiving the water of baptism, and dies in that condition? St. Augustine called it the vortex of confusion, to think that God could give the grace for conversion of the hardened sinner, then could not keep the person alive long enough to have any passerby pour the water and say the few words.

Anyhow, baptism of desire does not apply here to this thread, since we are talking about baptized Catholics who have left the Church

160 posted on 04/20/2011 5:30:19 PM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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