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To: MissesBush; Colofornian; Lurker
Let's talk about clery-penitent confidentiality.

First of all, we'll cede that LDS Bishops are "clergy", even though they are unpaid "volunteers" and have no real training, unlike Catholic and protestant clergy who have college training.

Now we have to understand in what context clergy may claim confidentiality. The gulity party must have come to the clergy who must have been acting in official capacity and confessed a crime. No one else may have been present except other clergy.

Now we'll specifically talk about child abuse. If a member of the clergy has a reaonable suspicion of abuse being committed, even by his congregant, he is REQUIRED by law to report to police.

If he hears about it through a third party he is REQUIRED to report.

If anyone else was present besides other clergy when abuse was confessed, or if it was revealed in a non-official capacity, he is REQUIRED to report.

And in 26 states, INCLUDING ARIZONA, even if child abuse was reported withing the usual bounds of clergy-penitent confines, HE IS STILL REQUIRED BY LAW TO REPORT.

check it out here: Mandatory Reporting of Child Abuse and Neglect

33 posted on 04/19/2011 8:21:41 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four; Colofornian
First of all, we'll cede that LDS Bishops are "clergy", even though they are unpaid "volunteers" and have no real training, unlike Catholic and protestant clergy who have college training.

I'll cede no such thing, thank you. You can cede it if you like, but I won't.

There's another story here about a bunch of Jesuits who molested hundreds of native Alaskan kids over decades. The "Church", Catholic in this case, settled the case for over 1.5 million dollars.

That doesn't mean that Catholicism is false, and it doesn't mean that the entire Catholic Church "knew" about it. Now this Colofornian person, in my opinion, is more than just a little bit disturbed. She seems to enjoy having my posts yanked rather than responding to me directly even tho I ping her every time I mention her, as required by the rules of the forum.

Her opinion is that Mormonism is somehow evil and she regularly posts stories like this to back that up. Now I just mentioned that story posted here about those Jesuits sexually abusing children. But I don't use that to indict the entire Catholic Church.

So I'll say it again. In my opinion Colofornian isn't much of a Christian. She's violating the Commandment against bearing false witness against another.

She has no evidence that the entire Mormon Church knew of these horrible crimes and neither do you. Colofornian hates Mormonism, that's the bottom line here. If she had any guts she'd respond directly to me instead of having my posts yanked. But, she won't do that.

I guess that's easier than attempting any logical point by point refutation of what I have to say. So Colofornian, go ahead. Go whine to the Mod about how mean I am.

I have to work in the morning so it's off to bed for me.

35 posted on 04/19/2011 8:34:15 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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