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Do YOU believe in all fairness, that anyone who desires to can claim to be a mormon without going through all the requirements listed above? Doubtful, IMO.

So why, when your own leader has told mormons NOT have a "personal relationship with Jesus" would Christians be expected to bow to mormon demands? Are the FLDS equal in mormon belief to the Salt Lake mormons?

"Some ("holier-than- thou" students) begin to pray directly to Christ because of some special friendship they feel has been developed. In this conception a current and unwise book, which advocates gaining a special relationship with Jesus, contains this sentence - quote: "Because the Saviour is our mediator, our prayers go through Christ to the Father, and the Father answers our prayers through his son. " Unquote. This is plain sectarian nonsense. Our prayers are addressed to the Father, and to him only. They do not go through Christ...You have never heard the First Presidency or the Twelve...advocate this excessive zeal that calls for gaining a so called special and personal relationship with Christ...never, never at any time have they taught or endorsed the inordinate and intemperate zeal that encourages endless, sometimes day-long prayers, in order to gain a personal relationship with the Saviour...I wonder if it is not part of Lucifer's system to make people feel they are special friends of Jesus when in fact they are not following the normal and usual pattern of worship found in the true Church." (Bruce McConkie, Speech at BYU on March 2 1982).

Acts 17:28 ...For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. ....possibly you don’t believe in the Bible?

Sorry...but you neglect the multi-verse thrust of not only the Bible to stretch your interpretation, but you also badly ignore even the Book of Mormon! [As is usual for Mormons]

Q. How do Mormons neglect their own Book of Mormon on this topic?

A. Several verses talk about "becoming" children of God (on earth -- not on Kolob)...Mosiah 5 and Mosiah 27, for example, plus others. [Tell us Teppe...go on...I dare you ... tell us...How do you "become" a son of God on earth when you've supposedly already been one somewhere else???

What? You don't know?

Now to the Bible: You, Teppe, and other Mormons also badly neglect both John 1:12-13 which also teaches we "become" children of God...and that the Pharisees were regarded by Jesus as being children of the devil (John 8:44-47).

Tell us Teppe...how could the Pharisees be simultaneous "offspring of God" and "children of the devil."

What? Don't know or won't answer? Won't be the first time a Mormon falls into silence on this one...I've yet to see a Mormon even attempt to answer this one...

Too many Lds are big on their one-verse "I gotchas" -- only to strangely fall silent in the face of overwhelming counter-evidence!

Also, the apostle Paul emphasized several times that our "children" status is one as "adopted" children -- not born as children. [Book of Romans; Ephesians, etc.]

Besides, Teppe, if you're a Mormon who believes in the pre-existence, that also means that you think your "elder brother" is Lucifer...you were just further down in the spirit-birth order.

ALL: I'd like to introduce you to Teppe...a guy who if he's a traditional Mormon thinks that Satan's his "elder bro."

So, tell ya, Teppe, are you a "traditional" Mormon on that Q???