The Truth About Race, Religion, And The Honor Code At BYU

Deadspin.com ^ | April 13, 2011 | Luke O'Brien and Darron Smith

[Colofornian]

From the article: Since 1993, according to our research, at least 70 athletes have been suspended, dismissed, put on probation, or forced to withdraw from their teams or the school after running afoul of the honor code. Fifty-four of them, or nearly 80 percent, are minorities. Forty-one, or almost 60 percent, are black men. These are conservative numbers, compiled from media reports and interviews. In several cases, we could not confirm an honor code violation. In other cases, we could not establish the race or ethnicity of the athlete involved. We excluded those cases from our tally. Clearly, though, something is amiss at BYU, where around 23 percent of the athletes are minorities, according to the university. Only .6 percent of the student body is black (176 out of the 32,947 students enrolled in 2010). Yet a majority of the honor code violations involve black athletes. Do these numbers mean these athletes "sin" more than everyone else? Hardly. Several former BYU football players told us that their white teammates routinely broke the honor code and got away with it, either because they didn't get caught or because their violations were covered up. (To a lesser extent, this holds true for Polynesian athletes, 14 of whom are included in our honor code tally. More on that later.) Mormon athletes can turn to bishops and church leaders from their own homogeneous communities — people who look like them and might even be related to them — to "repent" and avoid official punishment. Black athletes, who are typically non-Mormon, rarely have this option.

[Huddled Masses]

As as avid FREEPER and conservative I have witnessed for several YEARS that you only post Mormon (negative, of course) discussion points. Is it an obsession or what?

[svcw]

And this says it all: And they almost always involve athletes of color.

[svcw]

Are you aware that nearly all the postings are from lds owned or lds run operations or official lds sites, if you view the information as negative you should take it up with them.

[Colofornian]

Why, how coincidental. For several YEARS I have noted that Lds missionaries only communicate MORMON (positive, of course) discussion points. (Have you ever asked them if that was an obsession? If not, have you always been that imbalanced?)

And, as far as your "only" observations...you might want to tune in more.

For example, you can go to these numerous anti-Obama administration/anti-Democrat one-liners and graphs from 48 hours to less-than-48 hours ago: Things You Should Never Ask A Democrat (Fun On A Wed. Morning)

[Alex Murphy]

....something is amiss at BYU, where around 23 percent of the athletes are minorities, according to the university. Only .6 percent of the student body is black (176 out of the 32,947 students enrolled in 2010). Yet a majority of the honor code violations involve black athletes.

Ping for later

[greyfoxx39]

As as avid FREEPER and conservative I have witnessed for several YEARS that you only post Mormon (negative, of course) discussion points. Is it an obsession or what?

Avid FReepers who have large gaps in their posting history always get my attention.

In your "avidness" you may have missed seeing the posting rules for open threads at this site.

Religion Modrator

[oldbrowser]

Leave aside the impossibility of requiring over 30,000 hormonal young adults to abstain from sex or alcohol in college.

Statistical analysis aside, I think this is the key sentence. the writer cannot conceive of young adults abstaining from sex or alcohol.

[Colofornian]

Statistical analysis aside, I think this is the key sentence. the writer cannot conceive of young adults abstaining from sex or alcohol.

If you're making a general statement, yes, I agree with you: Media coupled w/school leaders oft communicate a cater-to-the-lowest common denominator of "everybody's doing it." And they oft' can't fathom a large % of students remaining abstinent from sex & alcohol.

Still, you can't 100% lay aside the "statistical analysis," because the author did cite "over 30,000...young adults" -- and in that sense, he's statistically right: All over 30,000 young adults going to 100% abstain from those two activities? (Don't think so)

[Elsie]

And they almost always involve athletes of color.

HMMmmm...

[Elsie]

Is it an obsession or what?

Yes!

C and the rest of us ANTIs (as we are lovingly refered to) ARE obseesed with the LIE that calls itswelf MORMONism.

We do whatEVER we can to show the world that it is foul, demonic and vapid.

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(Did this answer you completely?)

[Elsie]

Is it an obsession or what?

You might say something like that...

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

[Elsie]

Is it an obsession or what?

You could possibly get that idea...

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Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).

 

[P-Marlowe]

I have witnessed for several YEARS that you only post Mormon (negative, of course) discussion points.

You signed up in January of 2008 to sing the praises of Mitt Romney. When he wasn't given the nomination, you basically disappeared from posting on Free Republic.

Now suddenly, just before Mitt Romney announces his candidacy for 2012, you come on here and poke your nose onto the Mormon threads.

You are one of the few "avid FREEPERS" who have been here for more than 3 years and who have less than a page of posts. Not a very impressive posting history for an "avid FREEPER".

Have you returned to praise Mitt? In case you hadn't noticed, he's not well received here. And not because he's a Mormon, but because he is a phony and a statist.

[Elsie]

As as avid FREEPER and conservative I have witnessed for several YEARS that you only post Mormon (negative, of course) discussion points.

An observant fellow like yourself might have possibly noted that MORMONs have, over the years, posted only POSITIVE things about their chosen religion.

(They are OBSESSED with presenting a WHITEWASHED version of their 'church' to the world.)

[Elsie]

...the the writer cannot conceive ...

Heck; NO one can - if they be abstainin'!

[Elsie]

Mitt Romney is too much like Barack Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/14/romney_and_obama_—_bipartisan_brothers_109551.html

[Colofornian]

Still pro-Romney, HM?

[colorcountry]

And over the three years and a handful of postings this one is repeated often by huddled masses.

Just an observation

I have watched you over and over and over again speak ill will of Romney. It seems like an absolute obsession. Usually you will ping “helpers” who vomit additional wrath along side of you in true character assassination style. I recommend a hobby or medication.

[ejonesie22]

Hum, I must have missed the memo of the change of the definition of “avid”...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:huddledmasses/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change