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To: verdugo
re: We disagree. Both the Latin and the Orthodox who engaged in petty excommunications may just wind up on the floor of hell because they put their own whims and self-important pufferies ahead of the Church and its requirements.Please understand that I am not singling you out except to the extent that you are attempting to divide the Church.

The Church is one, it is not divided. It is the true Church of Jesus Christ the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church. It does not include the Eastern Orthodox, who have been schismatics since they split from the Church (moreover, they are objective heretics, denying many dogmas).

Negative. It is the sedevacantists who are not of the Church. The five Sees are the Church, in spite of what the newly schismatic believe. When were the excommuications lifted? That gives us the time period when the antiCatholics have been operating.

This is an undenial fact. It is reality. Anyone that denies this is living a lie.

Son, you are living a lie. The Church is the Church: that of the five Sees. If you separate yourself from them, you separate yourself from the Church.

Including myself, my wife, and our six children. To date...

157 posted on 04/17/2011 2:14:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
re:When were the excommuications lifted? That gives us the time period when the antiCatholics have been operating.

You are living in denial. Where does the current pope or any pope say that the Eastern Orthodox are part of the Catholic Church?

By the way, there are no lifting of excommunications. That is a big canard. I did a whole thread on the subject. I'm sure you read it. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2679932/posts:

The LIFTING THE ANATHEMAS HOAX

(DECEMBER 7, 1965)- THE ‘LIFTING’ OF THE ANATHEMAS-

On 7 December 1965, Cardinal Jan Willebrands read to the bishops of Vatican II the declaration of Pope Paul VI lifting the excommunication that the Envoy of Pope Leo IX had imposed on the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Michael Cerularius, in 1054. At the same time, in the Patriarchal Cathedral of Saint George in Constantinople, the synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate ‘lifted’ the anathemas imposed on the papal ambassadors in 1054 by Patriarch Michael Cerularius and the patriarchal synod of Constantinople and subsequently ratified and adopted by all orthodox churches.

This document above of no juridical value whatsoever, just a nice gesture is all it is. Michael Cerularius remains an excommunicated.

1) For one, the Patriarch of Constantinople has no authority to bind any of the other Orthodox Churches, as a matter of fact his Patriarchy consists of only 3.5 million people.

2) Pope Paul VI has no authority to ‘lift” the excommunication of Michael Cerularius, since he died almost 1000 years ago. You can't “lift” the excommunication of a dead man, he is already in hell for all eternity. It's a different matter if a pope were to undertake to disprove the validity of an excommunication (like Joan of Arc), but that is not what Paul VI did, he just simply signed the declaration above.

159 posted on 04/17/2011 2:47:37 PM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: MarkBsnr
re: Including myself, my wife, and our six children. To date...

You have 6 children? Very good. To date? I assume that means your wife is young, still in her child bearing years.

That's a good sign, congratulations.

By the way, I'm not a sedevacantes, so, don't expect to get my goat up with your incessant bringing up of the subject.

163 posted on 04/17/2011 3:24:51 PM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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