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To: Carpe Cerevisi
"The Hail Mary itself is entirely scriptural."

Just the first stanza.

The second denies Jesus' admonition to call no one holy except the Father;

The eternal God can have no mother;

Mary confessed to the angel that she needed a savior, thus a flesh and blood sinner (as we all), and is now (without a speciel decree .. by men .. ), dead and cannot pray for anyone.

36 posted on 04/12/2011 8:40:14 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Do you deny that Jesus is God in the flesh? That He is coeternal with the Father? That through Him all things were made and for us men and our salvation He came down from heaven?


41 posted on 04/12/2011 8:45:45 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: knarf
The second denies Jesus' admonition to call no one holy except the Father;

Citation please. What about Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:1, and Col. 1:2?

The eternal God can have no mother;

We know she's not older than God - this pertains to her giving birth to a divine person.
54 posted on 04/12/2011 9:01:15 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: knarf
The eternal God can have no mother...

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?

And who was Jesus' mother?

Simple logic, and the Church from a very early date, both East and West accepted the title, "Mother of God" for Mary. And most of the early Protestant Reformers, including John Calvin, accepted the appropriateness of the title.

I am not a Roman Catholic, but I genuinely do not understand why so many well-meaning Christians feel the need to run down the Virgin Mary. Because of her "Yes" to God, Jesus Christ was born into the world. What a wonderful gift we received through Mary! And what an example for us all to follow.

58 posted on 04/12/2011 9:08:17 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: knarf
The second denies Jesus' admonition to call no one holy except the Father

Have trouble with hyperbole much? As Protestants are fond of reminding us, Paul calls his readers "saints". What does "saint" mean? "Holy one".

The eternal God can have no mother

So is Jesus not really God, or was he not really born in a human nature? Pick your heresy.

Mary confessed to the angel that she needed a savior, thus a flesh and blood sinner

Nothing like that is in Scripture. Mary said, under inspiration, that God was her Savior, not that she needed a Savior (implying that she did not then have one). Big, big difference.

67 posted on 04/12/2011 9:21:24 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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