Posted on 04/03/2011 7:34:45 AM PDT by delacoert
I do not deny Eternity... I'd just rather deny the enemies of America the ability to send me there as soon as they would like to.
What have they given us?
Three Eleven Bravos (P) from the Utah ARNG who volunteered for RVN, because they said their faith demanded that they work to protect the US against her enemies..... and also volunteered for an extraction to get me and my team out of deep kim chee in III Corps one night... and 2 came back Line One.
All gave something. Some gave everything.
Actually, my eternal life began when I became born again...my life will continue on into Heaven because of what Jesus did for me.
Like I said, if you want to stick with politics, then go ahead. I just don’t see why you are wasting your time on the religion forum with un-realistic dreams of religious universalism.
Jesus said that He is the Truth. When false teachers spew their spirtual darkness and try to lead others down a path to Hell, then it is a Christian’s right and actual command from Jesus, to defend the faith and speak truth to lies. Therefore, I, as well as others, will obey Jesus and confront false teachings despite your protests.
Yes lds fled to start their own “country” but capitulated later.
Yes lds are partnering with islamic groups because “they are so similar”.
Yes lds are passing laws (Utah) to embrace illegals.
Yes lds vote over whelming for liberal lds, because lds trumps all else.
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Apples and oranges bender. You are citing politics and the need for politicians - not military. Many atheists died in Vietnam as well.
The point of the matter is leading mormon politicians are liberal. And mormons vote as a political block.
So, railing at others for what you perceive to be "mormon bashing" accomplishes that end...how? If you do not "deny eternity" then why are you attempting to censor those of us who are concerned with it?
This IS the Religion Forum, eternity is the subject.
Yes, Mormons vote as a political block. They vote as THE MOST CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS BLOCK in America!
The following is rather long, but, please, read it.
Also, I realize you may think Romney is too liberal for our taste, but Senator Hatch? He has a 2010 ACU rating pf a perfect 100. Bennett got primaried out for being too centrist.... with an ACU of 86!
Please read following:
FROM PEW RESEARCH
Mormons stand out from the general population and other major religious traditions for their conservatism on both cultural and political issues. Strong majorities of Mormons say there are absolute standards of right and wrong and that they feel their values are often threatened by Hollywood.
They also are considerably more Republican than any other major religious tradition, including members of evangelical Protestant churches, and tend to take conservative positions on whether abortion should be legal or illegal, whether homosexuality should be accepted or discouraged by society and views of the size and role of government.
On issues of foreign affairs, Mormons stand out for their view that the U.S. should be active in world affairs and for being slightly more likely than others to favor military strength over diplomacy.
A strong majority of Mormons (88%) say there are absolute standards of right and wrong. This is higher than among the general population and most other religious traditions.
A significant portion of Mormons (68%) also agree that their values are often threatened by Hollywood, which is much higher than among the general population (42%). The religious traditions that are the next most likely to agree are Jehovah’s Witnesses (54%) and members of evangelical Protestant churches (53%). In all other major religious traditions, a majority disagree that their values are often threatened by Hollywood and the entertainment industry.
Mormons are very politically conservative. Six-in-ten Mormons identify as conservative, about three-in-ten (27%) say they consider themselves moderate and only one-in-ten identify as liberal. This is in stark contrast to the general population, in which roughly a third identify as conservative (37%), a third as moderate (36%) and 20% as liberal.
The summer 2007 Landscape Survey finds that an even larger share of Mormons identify as Republicans or lean toward the Republican Party than identify as conservative. Nearly two-thirds (65%) of Mormons say they identify with or lean toward the Republican party, 15 percentage points higher than among members of evangelical churches (50%) and 30 points higher than among the general population (35%). Just one-fifth of Mormons (22%) say they are Democrats and the remainder say they do not favor either party. Members of historically black churches are the only religious group in which there is more consensus in partisanship than Mormons, with 77% identifying as Democrats.
This places Mormons to the right of all other major religious traditions on a continuum of ideology and partisanship; in fact, they are somewhat more conservative and Republican than members of evangelical Protestant churches. By contrast, smaller, non-Christian religious traditions, such as Hindus, Buddhists and Jews, cluster around the liberal, Democratic end of the spectrum. Members of historically black Protestant churches are the farthest along the Democratic spectrum but are more conservative than members of other faiths that lean Democratic.
In line with their party identification and ideology, most Mormons take an anti-abortion or “pro-life” position on the issue of abortion. Fully 70% say abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances, compared with 42% among the general population. Unlike other major religious traditions that oppose abortion, however, Mormon opposition is concentrated on opposing it in most cases (61%) rather than in all cases (9%). Among members of evangelical Protestant churches, by contrast, 36% say abortion should be illegal in most cases and 25% say it should be illegal in all cases.
Two-thirds of Mormons (68%) say homosexuality should be discouraged rather than accepted by society. This is comparable to the figure among members of evangelical Protestant churches (64%) and Muslims (61%) but significantly higher than among members of historically black Protestant churches (46%). Jehovah’s Witnesses are the most likely to say homosexuality should be discouraged, with 76% expressing this view. Among the general population, only 40% say it should be discouraged, with half saying it should be accepted.
Mormons are distinctive in their views on the origins of human life. When asked about the theory of evolution, only 22% of Mormons say it is the best explanation for human life, with three-in-four (75%) disagreeing. Only among one other major religious tradition - Jehovah’s Witnesses (90%) - does a higher proportion disagree that evolution is the best explanation for human life. The general public is more evenly divided on this question, with 48% saying it is the best explanation and 45% rejecting that position.
The conservative political ideology of the majority of Mormons extends to their views on the size and role of government. More than half of Mormons (56%) prefer a smaller government with fewer services, compared with 36% who prefer a bigger government with more services. The general public is much more evenly split, with 43% favoring a smaller government and 46% supporting a bigger government.
Similarly, Mormons are less likely than the population overall to support the government doing more to help the needy. Among the general public, two-thirds (62%) say the government should do more for the needy, while only about half of Mormons (49%) say this. Four-in-ten Mormons (42%) say government cannot afford to do much more to help the needy, compared with 29% among the population as a whole.
On the issue of legal abortion, however, younger Mormons are significantly more conservative than their older counterparts. Among those under age 50, 74% say abortion should be illegal in most or all cases, while among those aged 50 and older, 62% say this. Conversely, on the issue of the size of government.
I’m not the only one who sees romney toooooooo liberal. Yet Utah voted en-mass for him last cycle.
Considerably more ‘republican’. They were actively racists against blacks until 1978 - a period when Republicans lead the civil rights efforts.
One could look at the doctrinal stance of mormonism regarding abortion - look it up some time. It is the decision of the woman.
Watch homosexuality - just like mormonism backpedaled on its racism and polygamy - I expect new revelations to adapt to gays in mormondom gaining more acceptance.
I also see silence on mormondom’s part in existing polygamy in Utah and surrounding areas. If gay marriages are sanctioned officially by law - you can bet polygamy will soon follow.
Temple mormons also swear an oath to commit all to the church - regardless of politicial position, and to use what ever positions to advance the church.
BTW, even Hatch is in the gunsights by tea partiers, having seen the example made of Bennett.
Oh, and don’t forget Huntsman. . . . ready to step in if romney falters.
Oh and there are a lot of other statistics that could be cited about mormons as well - depression and drug use, porn use, etc. but please don’t stop your ‘research’ too short.
oh and bender, don’t forget the thrill racing through the hearts of mormons that THEY will save the country and turn it into the theocracy envisioned by smith.
btw, a mormon was the senior chaplain at the base I was stationed at in Germany. He ruled with an iron fist, limiting what the non-mormon chaplains could do and asserting priority to mormonism. Hate to live under a mormon president with such a theocratic bent.
Do you have a link?
Thank you for asking, glad to supply it.
http://pewforum.org/Christian/Mormon/A-Portrait-of-Mormons-in-the-US—Social-and-Political-Views.aspx
The charts and graphs there are even more demonstrative.
When a group is significantly to the right of Evangelical Christians, they are NOT a liberal group.
Be well.
Please, you have descended into embarasing yourself.
Replace Orain Hatch, a fine, good man, a man with a 100 ACU rating, some Tea Party darling? Have you no common sense?
Your future posts will not be replied to.
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Please, you have descended into embarasing yourself.
Replace Orain Hatch, a fine, good man, a man with a 100 ACU rating, on the ballot with some Tea Party Christine O’Donnell type? Have you no common sense? If so, we lose the seat 65-35!
Your future posts will not be replied to.
You still haven’t explained why you are on the Religion forum if you are solely interested in politics...
Digest the Pew Research about Mormons and American political life, how Mormons are the most Conservative faith in the country, then I’ll discuss it with you.
your mind has been bent one too many times bender.
Hatch boasted of his long time friendship with teddy kennedy.
He supported Elena Kagan to be solicitor general.
He was the third-leading seeker of earmarks in the Senate in 2010.
Hatch supported bank bailouts in 2008.
He also sought to get the federal gov’t involved in college football.
He is part of the establishment republicans who are obstructionalists to really reforming the country.
You don’t want reply - thats your choice. The embarrasment is upon your ignorance of the man - which does NOT carry a 100 ACU rating, only an 89.5 lifetime rating. Pulhlesse get your numbers right before you make such accusations.
Maybe you could explain why you are on a political forum if you are solely interested in religious discussions.
And Hatch got a 100 rating from the ACU, but of course, you know so much more than they do!
When will you choose to stop embarasing yourself with these senseless posts?
By the way, who will you replace Hatch with on the Republican ticket? Christine O’Donnell’s 3d cousin the formor Mormon palm leaf reader from Vernal, Utah? Great chance to win the general election there!!!!
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Look hatch up on the ACU website friend, I presented his lifetime rating, less than your rating and more important overall. Easy to get a 100 in 2010 after seeing Bennett get nailed for being a rino. BTW, your pretty hatch only received an 88 in 2009. Take the time and READ the table more closely, it will save your credability in future posts.
Since I don’t live in Utah, I’ll let the good citizens of that state decide. But hatch is a symptom of the problem - not a problem solver.
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