Catholic bishop addresses Mormon Institute students

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60683/Catholic-bishop-addresses-Mormon-Institute-students.html ^ | David Hoefferle

[Alex Murphy]

Calling it a “historic occasion,” Bishop Gerald F. Kicanas of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Tucson encouraged Latter-day Saints and Catholics to stand side-by-side in their joint responsibility to protect freedom of worship throughout the world....That message was apparent as the Catholic Bishop, with humor, and touching stories, told how the interconnecting histories of Catholics and Mormons, our common ideals, and many of the issues that have affected both churches have placed their members on common ground....Quoting Cardinal Francis George speaking at Brigham Young University early last year, Bishop Kicanas encouraged members of both religions to come together to be “spiritually united” in their effort to practice their beliefs. His theme was “Our shared history, our shared values, our shared challenges.”

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[bwc2221]

Nightly propaganda???

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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“Beware of FALSE prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are RAVENING wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles,
DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:15,  The Apostle Paul, II Corinthians 11:13

 

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LET THE READER BEWARE!

 

“Beware of FALSE prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are RAVENING wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles,
DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:15,  The Apostle Paul, II Corinthians 11:13

 

[D-fendr]

We have quite different beliefs, but I’m glad a bishop spoke to LDS about religious freedom. I’m embarrassed by some of the disrespect shown here toward fellow Freepers. We can disagree passionately, but there’s no reason or excuse to treat those who disagree with us in the manner some do on these threads.

[P-Marlowe]

We can disagree passionately, but there’s no reason or excuse to treat those who disagree with us in the manner some do on these threads.

Whenever I wander over to the Catholic threads, I usually get the bum's rush and get treated like a pariah. Maybe you should convince your own posters to practice what you preach.

[D-fendr]

Do you mean caucus threads?

[Paragon Defender]

We have quite different beliefs, but I’m glad a bishop spoke to LDS about religious freedom. I’m embarrassed by some of the disrespect shown here toward fellow Freepers. We can disagree passionately, but there’s no reason or excuse to treat those who disagree with us in the manner some do on these threads.

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Thanks for the comment. On this we can sure agree! =-)

[Paragon Defender]

So classless. I feel sorry for you my friend. Really I do.

[P-Marlowe]

The last time I posted a Protestant thread, it was spammed by a whole slew of angry Catholic apologists. The comments were so vile I just requested that the thread be pulled. I get labeled an Anti-Catholic every time I post a disagreement with catholic dogma or theology.

So don't go preaching about how poorly the Mormons are treated. The Mormon Church labeled the Catholic Church " that Great Abominable Church" and the Mother of Harlots. They believe the Mormon Church replaced the Catholic Church and that the Catholic Church fell into apostasy in the first Century and that the gospel was lost for 1700 years, until Joseph Smith restored it.

So go ahead and defend them. If you don't know the secret handshakes, passwords, and wear the special Underwear, you aren't getting into the Celestial Kingdom.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“So classless. I feel sorry for you my friend. Really I do.”

You can post all the cultic Mormon spam you want to.

Christians will warn others of your heresy - just as Christ and the Apostle Paul warned others of FALSE prophets and Apostles in their day.

I can understand your dislike when we peel back your sheepskin costume and reveal you as a ravening wolf.

Freedom is a beautiful thing.

ampu

[D-fendr]

If you will ping me to where you were treated unfairly, I’ll do my best to give you a fair defense.

I’m defending courteous and respectful dialogue among Freepers of different faiths. I am aware of what LDS belief toward my Church and others is; I’m aware of past viciousness and even wars under the flag of religion, Protestant and Catholic. We do not have to defend each other’s religion in order to have something approaching respectful discussion of our beliefs.

Can this site be a place of respectful discussion among different faiths - all agreeing on a foundation of freedom of religion and worship?

Open threads here have devolved into hurtful flame wars, the same brickbats thrown over and over. I’ve been almost completely avoiding them and recommend others do the same.

Not that I haven’t lost my cool on occasion. I regret some of my own actions and their reflection on this site and my fellow Freepers. I hope to do better and hope that all Freepers can join together to do better - for ourselves and in order to better exemplify what Christian behavior should be - especially on Free Republic.

thanks for your reply.

[Gamecock]

Issue	Catholicism	Mormonism	Jehovah's Witnesses	Christianity
Specific Church Leader on earth	The Pope	The Prophet	Watchtower Organization	none (except, of course, Jesus)
Source of Theology	Bible and Tradition	Bible and additional Scripture	Bible and Watchtower Organization	Bible
Sample of non-biblical teachings	Purgatory, Penance, Indulgences, praying to Mary, her assumption.	Many gods, god from another world, goddess mother, you can become a god.	Jesus is Michael the Archangel. No blood transfusions, no hell, 144,000 go to heaven	If it isn't taught here, I don't believe it.
Method of Salvation	Faith, grace, baptism, works	Faith, grace, baptism, works	Faith, grace, baptism, works	Grace through Faith
True Church	Their church organization is one true church	Their church organization is one true church	Their church organization is one true church	All who are saved by grace through faith are in the true church
Claim of Authority	Apostolic Succession	Apostolic Succession	Being the faithful servant	In Jesus alone
Assets	Great Wealth and Power	Great Wealth and Power	Wealth, not much power	Treasures in heaven
Goddess-like figure	Mary has godlike abilities: able to hear and answer all prayers of all people all the time, intercede with God.	Goddess Mother who has populated this world with spirits who inhabit human bodies	Not Applicable	Not Applicable
Images of God, or Jesus, or Mary, etc.	Used in worship in churches	Used in temples and headquarters	Not Applicable	Not Applicable

 

[P-Marlowe]

The problem with a lot of the religious threads is that disagreement is viewed as hatred. The peculiar problem with LDS threads is that anyone who actually posts the truth about Mormon Doctrine or History is automatically referee to as an "anti". The LDS Church is a peculiarly dishonest organization. They are not run so much by a Prophet as they are by advertising agencies. They deny their own history and try to paint themselves falsely as just another Christian Church, while at the same time teaching their members that everyone who isn't a Mormon is an Apostate.

I left the LDS Church after my eyes were opened to their organized deceit. While Mormons are by and large nice people ( Ted Bundy being a notable exception) the LDS Church Organization is a giant wolf which devours sheep and teaches doctrines of Demons.

As a former member of this cult, I consider it my Christian duty to sound the alarm.

[D-fendr]

I honestly think I understand. More than enough to have the same feelings and instincts.

The problem with a lot of the religious threads is that disagreement is viewed as hatred.

I've seen that charge made unfairly many times on many sides. As you've seen, one charge results in another, escalating, becoming personal and more and more, well, trying to hurt, swarm attacks, huge fonts, screaming and mayhem.

The internet anonymity is an easy vehicle for us to say things we would not otherwise say. And treat people in a way we would not if we were talking to them in person.

I think we have to ignore unfair attacks or at least not respond in kind.

I think you are more likely to post what you believe is correct, contrary to another poster's religion, in a respectful manner. I believe those of other faiths hold them as sincerely as we do ours and are more likely to consider what we have to say if it is presented courteously.

Is it possible to expect whole threads here to maintain respect for each other - even while passionately disagreeing? Or am I nuts in thinking it could happen? :)

[Campion]

You sort of missed the elephant in the turnip patch, though.

Catholics profess that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, Incarnate God.

So do you.

Mormons don't. Neither do JWs.

Scripture says, "No one can say, 'Jesus Christ is LORD,' except in the Holy Spirit."

[Paragon Defender]

You can post all the cultic Mormon spam you want to.

Christians will warn others of your heresy - just as Christ and the Apostle Paul warned others of FALSE prophets and Apostles in their day.

I can understand your dislike when we peel back your sheepskin costume and reveal you as a ravening wolf.

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You seem to be a bit confused about what I mean. Your classlessness is not your disagreement, it’s how you choose to display it. You go way beyond disagreement.

Yeah we are free to do lots of things. It doesn’t mean you should.

There are some wolves here for sure. But they aren’t Mormons.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“You seem to be a bit confused about what I mean. Your classlessness is not your disagreement, it’s how you choose to display it. You go way beyond disagreement.”

I disagree with the heresy of mormonism that distorts the image of God and His Gospel of Grace. Practicing Christianity includes warning others of that heresy. Your evaluation, as a cultist, is not my concern.

“There are some wolves here for sure. But they aren’t Mormons.”

And that is where we disagree. Those who proselytize on FreeRepublic by spreading the cult of mormonism are false teachers and wolves who are attempting to appear as a sheep to get access to the flock. You also have a force of 52,000 mormonic missionaries knocking on the doors of Christians and telling them their Church is false. The condemnation of mormonism and its false teachers is just and necessary.

I understand why you don’t like it.

best,
ampu

[Godzilla]

There are some wolves here for sure. But they aren’t Mormons.

Perhaps this is more appropriate then -