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I'm posting a chapter a day of The Great Heresies by Hilaire Belloc.

This is the sixth in a series of seven posts.

Here are the previous threads:

Introduction: Heresy [The Great Heresies]

Chapter 1: Scheme of This Book [The Great Heresies]

Chapter 2: The Arian Heresy [The Great Heresies]

Chapter 3: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed [The Great Heresies]

Chapter 4: The Albigensian Attack [The Great Heresies]

I'm sorry that this chapter may be controversial, but I am posting it only because I am posting the rest of The Great Heresies.

The Great Heresies is a very interesting book, and I recommend reading the chapter on Islam in particular.

1 posted on 03/30/2011 10:52:14 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: NYer; Salvation

Ping!


2 posted on 03/30/2011 10:53:19 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon

If you really want to go there we could hold a discussion on the morality of the Spanish or other inquisitions.

Or we could discuss simony which resulted in boatloads of clergy who didn’t even understand the Latin being said in the Masses.

How does one defend the idea of burning people at the stake for merely possessing a Bible in, horror of horrors, their own language; i.e., English.

The Roman Catholic Church had certainly engaged in gross heretical behaviors. Castigating Protestant behavior without fully explaining the behavior of the Roman Catholic Church prior to the its own counter-reformation is the worst kind of straw man argument. These things must be discussed in historical context.

As a Protestant who does not normally engage in attacking the Roman Catholic Church I find having my branch of the Church attacked objectionable. How did you like it?


6 posted on 03/30/2011 11:09:21 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: WPaCon
"They should also pray for those who foment discord among Christians and conservatives on online forums."

BWA HAHAHAHAHA

8 posted on 03/30/2011 11:13:28 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: WPaCon

Note for future reading........


11 posted on 03/30/2011 11:15:04 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: WPaCon

Just imagine all the crying, screaming, whining and cursing and yelling of “foul play” if this were an article talking about the heresy of the Roman catholic church. It would only take about 2 posts before someone would call it catholic bashing. :)


13 posted on 03/30/2011 11:32:43 AM PDT by lupie
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To: WPaCon
For one thing the spiritual basis of Protestantism went to pieces through the breakdown of the Bible as a supreme authority. This breakdown was the result of that very spirit of sceptical inquiry upon which Protestantism had always been based. It had begun by saying, "I deny the authority of the Church: every man must examine the credibility of every doctrine for himself." But it had taken as a prop (illogically enough) the Catholic doctrine of Scriptural inspiration. That great mass of Jewish folklore, poetry and traditional popular history and proverbial wisdom which we call the Old Testament, that body of records of the Early Church which we call the New Testament, the Catholic Church had declared to be Divinely inspired. Protestantism (as we all know) turned this very doctrine of the Church against the Church herself, and appealed to the Bible against Catholic authority. Hence the Bible — Old and New Testaments combined — became an object of worship in itself throughout the Protestant culture. There was a great deal of doubt and even paganism floating about before the end of the nineteenth century in the nations of Protestant culture; but the mass of their populations, in Germany as in England and Scandinavia, certainly in the United States, anchored themselves to the literal interpretation of the Bible. Now historical research, research in physical science and research in textual criticism, shook this attitude. The Protestant culture began to go to the other extreme; from having worshipped the very text of the Bible as something immutable and the clear voice of God, it fell to doubting almost everything that the Bible contained.

It questioned the authenticity of the four Gospels, particularly the two written by eyewitnesses to the life of Our Lord and more especially that of St. John, the prime witness to the Incarnation. It came to deny the historical value of nearly everything in the Old Testament prior to the Babylonian exile; it denied as a matter of course every miracle from cover to cover and every prophecy. That a document should contain prophecy was taken to prove that it must have been written after the event. Every inconvenient text was labelled as an interpolation. In fine, when this spirit (which was the very product of Protestantism itself) had done with the Bible — the very foundation of Protestantism — it had left nothing of Protestantism but a mass of ruins.

Yes!!!

Hoorah!!

19 posted on 03/30/2011 11:58:48 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: WPaCon

I agree that it is interesting. Is there a free downloadable version?

Belloc is fascinating and far too much of a Catholic partisan. Nevertheless, the material is well worth reading. Thanks for putting on FR.


20 posted on 03/30/2011 11:59:08 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: WPaCon

Thanks so much for posting. I’d forgotten how compelling Belloc could be.


23 posted on 03/30/2011 12:13:37 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: WPaCon; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Catholic ping!


45 posted on 03/30/2011 1:16:18 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: WPaCon

Good post. Thanks!


53 posted on 03/30/2011 3:06:35 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: WPaCon

As an Evangelical Christian, with a particular interest in the history of the Reformation, I enjoyed reading the post, fully recognizing that it was written from a Roman Catholic perspective. Obviously, Belloc saw things through the “prism of his own ideology”, namely Catholicism. I do come to the conclusion that he must have been an intellectual heavyweight. I note that he died in 1953,

I noted his reference to the English attempt to destroy Catholicism in Ireland and the French attempt to do the same to Protestantism in France. What he didn’t state was the absolute failure of the English and the success of the French through the revocation of The Edict of Nantes in 1685.

It’s a shame that he isn’t alive today. I’d love to get his take on things like Vatican II, the collapse of at least “cultural” Christianity in Western Europe, the growth of Islam in so called “Christian” countries and the rapid growth of Evangelical Christianity in Latin America.

Thank you for the posting and God Bless.


54 posted on 03/30/2011 3:07:03 PM PDT by Upbeat
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To: WPaCon

It’s simple: some seed fell on shallow soil and sprouted, but withered away when the growing conditions got tough— and some seeds were carried away by evil birds. The winnowing out continues to this day.

The faithful have stayed and flourished and will be running this race to the very end, secure in the promises of Christ for His Church.


64 posted on 03/30/2011 10:08:10 PM PDT by Melian ( See Matt 7: 21 and 1 John 2: 3-6)
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To: WPaCon

The Reformation, unlike all the other great heresies, led to no conclusion, or at least has led to none which we can as yet register, although the first upheaval is now four hundred years behind us. The Arian business slowly died away; but the Protestant business, though its doctrine has disappeared, has borne permanent fruit. It has divided the white civilization into two opposing cultures, Catholic and anti-Catholic.
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I dropped out of the essay here.

The Arian Heresy has killed the protestant church in Europe and sapped the Catholic church of congregants in europe and latin america. The arian heresy is behind the slow steady decline of american liberal protestant churches.


69 posted on 03/31/2011 12:48:43 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: WPaCon

Interestingly, without the Church, there would not be the Bible.


74 posted on 03/31/2011 11:02:30 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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The old Catholic Europe, prior to Luther's uprising

What a disgusting waste of time. I would love to join the Mother Church but in good conscience cannot as long as it promulgates lies like this. Until the Catholic church repents of its lies about the Lutheran reformation it stands convicted by its own corruption and deceptiveness.

History is clear. Luther did not "Uprise." He sought to "speak truth to power," within the bonds of the church; was excommunicated by a corrupt and apostate papacy as a result; and had a price placed on his head for his faithfulness to the Gospel.

Luther was to the church as the Tea Party is to the GOP. The parallel is so close as to be downright scarey.

78 posted on 04/02/2011 5:58:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: WPaCon
That great mass of Jewish folklore, poetry and traditional popular history and proverbial wisdom which we call the Old Testament

And this is what passes for "conservatism" in the Catholic world? Blech.

Belloc's fulminations against Biblical criticism ring hollow in that 1)he doesn't seem to disagree with it to any appreciable degree, and 2)the Catholic Church has embraced Protestant higher criticism wholeheartedly precisely because it discredits Protestantism's religious authority. Plus, if one is going to criticize Protestants for "worshiping the text of scripture" then obviously one's attitude was higher critical to begin with.

90 posted on 04/06/2011 12:49:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: wideawake

Belloc ping (though you probably already noticed).


91 posted on 04/06/2011 12:50:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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