Better than being under the thumb of this guy:
Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
At an intensely combative and vitriolic hearing Friday afternoon in a sex-abuse case that has shaken the Philadelphia Archdiocese to its core, a state court judge shocked one priest's defense attorney by disclosing that the government thinks he might be a witness as a former seminarian and could be disqualified from the case. The lawyer, who represents one of three current and former Roman Catholic priests charged with raping boys in their parish, fired back that prosecutors were being "anti-Catholic" and had uttered an "abomination."
Judge Renee Cardwell Hughes told defense attorney Richard DeSipio that she's received information that "might make you, in fact, a witness because of events that occurred while you were a seminarian."
The information "stems from the fact that you attended the seminary with a student who asserts he was abused," Hughes said, adding that DeSipio "may possess factual knowledge about abuse that occurred with that student."
She added that the substance of the claim that DiSipio witnessed something is still unclear. "I just don't know if it's true," Hughes said. "I really don't know if it's true."
Yelling and visibly upset, DeSipio demanded that the government, then and there, identify the source of the allegation. "Let them spill it out right now!" DeSipio demanded.
"How dare they send you a letter about that," DeSipio said, referring to the district attorney's office. "That's an abomination."
Prosecutors said only that part of DeSipio's seminary training overlapped with the tenure of a senior clergyman accused of endangering children by failing to protect them from priests with a known history of abuse.
Monsignor William Lynn, now pastor of St. Joseph Church in Downingtown, Pa., is reportedly the highest-ranking member of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States ever to be charged with child endangerment. Between 1984 and 1992, he served as dean of men at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa., according to his biography on St. Joseph's website. As the secretary for clergy for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia from 1992 to 2004, Lynn acted as personnel director for priests. He is accused of ignoring reports of abuse, covering up for them and putting children in danger.
"They are anti-Catholic. I'll say it," DiSipio fumed. "[The district attorney is] attacking me as a Catholic!"
The judge rejected DiSipio's claim. "Attack you? You attacked me! You don't even know me!" Hughes said, referring to a prior argument over the necessity of a preliminary hearing, another hotly contested issue Friday afternoon.
"Mr. DeSipio, I suggest you shut up," Hughes said. "People are coming from out of the woodwork [to provide information to the commonwealth.]"
If the government can prove the allegation is credible in 30 days, DeSipio will be disqualified as the archdiocese's attorney.
"You can change lawyers now, you can change lawyers in 30," the judge warned DeSipio's client, the Rev. James Brennan. "[But] there are some conflicts that are not waivable."
DeSipio argued that the 30-day investigation was "really unfair to Father Brennan," given his mounting legal costs.
Judge Hughes was livid that DeSipio spoke up again. "If you open your mouth one more time I am going to have the sheriff take you out of here," she told DeSipio.
As DeSipio continued to argue, Hughes said she might have him "locked up and held in contempt." Instead she issued a gag order, responding to what she observed as attorneys having "gone to the airways to advocate."
"No more interviews with anyone," the judge ruled.
"Does that include the DA going on Chris Matthews' 'Hardball' and going to the New York Times," defense attorney Michael McGovern asked.
The judge responded affirmatively: "I don't want tweets. I don't want Facebook. I don't want IMs [instant messages]."
Hughes said the court will revisit the gag order on April 15, when defendants are to be arraigned. That date also marks the deadline for the DA to provide the defense with the first batch of discovery, she said.
All but one of the defense attorneys challenged the government's amendment to its case, which added a conspiracy charge that had not explicitly been requested of the grand jury.
"The issue here is that if the DA seeks to amend, it has to be subject to some sort of prima facie determination," the defense argued.
The judge found otherwise, ruling that the commonwealth established "good cause" in its pleadings and that "there is no constitutional right - federal or state - for a preliminary hearing."
It was "a technical error on the commonwealth not to charge conspiracy" originally, Hughes said. "Conspiracy is made," and the defendants will not be afforded a preliminary hearing, she ruled.
Hughes said there was abundant evidence to support the amendment.
"I'm the only person, besides the prosecutors, who has seen every stitch of evidence," she said.
Defense attorney McGovern argued that her admission was precisely the problem.
"Your Honor, this is patently unfair!" McGovern said. "You know the evidence. They know the evidence. I don't know what the evidence is! I haven't seen any!"
The attorney said proceeding to trial without a preliminary hearing was like saying, "Let's have a dart game in a dark room."
"What kind of country is this where we have this?" he shouted.
The judge yelled back, baring her teeth: "You sit down! Sit, sit, sit!"
DeSipio agreed with McGovern that their clients deserve a preliminary hearing, which could allow them to confront their accusers.
"There's no witness. I know that they [the prosecutors] don't like that he's in jail," DeSipio said. "This accuser says there was an erect penis in his buttocks."
"Was it in your buttocks, or was it in your anus," he asked rhetorically. "If that question wasn't asked [of the grand jury], and he didn't specify anus or butt cheeks, I have a right to ask that."
"What you can't do, and what I submit they're trying to do, is say just because we have a grand jury, we have good cause [to by-pass a preliminary hearing]," DeSipio said.
The judge also addressed a potential conflict of interest concerning Monsignor Lynn, who unlike the three current and former priests, faces child endangerment charges - not rape or sexual assault. Plans for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia to pay Lynn's legal costs present "a whole array of conflicts that I can't even imagine at this point in time," Hughes said.
"It's real simple," the judge said to Lynn, who was donning his clerical collar, "your master is the person that's putting bread on the table."
"It may be in your best interest to put forth a defense that attacks other people [or the church]," Hughes said.
She told Lynn he was putting himself in the position of receiving "advice from people who are being paid by people whose interests don't necessarily align with yours."
The stakes of this gamble could amount to "14 years of incarceration versus probation," she said.
Lynn, in a calm voice, declined. "Well, I trust these two men." he said, adding that the church hadn't placed any conditions on the payment of his legal costs.
Hughes was incredulous. "You are making a knowing, voluntary and intelligent decision to place yourself in conflict with your attorneys?" she asked.
"I am," Lynn responded, waiving his right to any future appeal based on the argument that his attorneys had a conflict of interest.
"Then we're moving forward," the judge said.
After arraignments and release of the first batch of discovery, which will include grand jury notes and testimony, on April 15, the government will begin putting together a second batch. The government said that batch would take longer to produce, as it will include roughly 10,000 pages of documentation, much of which will need to be redacted.
Hughes said the government must give the defense a specific timeline for the production of the second batch. "There has to be some finality," she said.
In January, a grand jury returned an indictment for rape and sexual assault against one current priest, one defrocked priest and one man who taught at a Catholic school. Monsignor Lynn, the third cleric who worked for the archdiocese as secretary of clergy, is accused of giving known abusers easy access to minors.
Just trying to get a feel for what kind of Catholic he or she was.
It is just that the vast majority of Catholics usually say just be a good person. Some say by Grace alone, some say by faith and works. Some say, (traditionalists) only members of the Roman church can be saved. Some say post vatican II popes are not valid, etc..
I for one am counting on my works to get me into heaven.I for one am counting on Christ's work to get me into heaven.
This whole dispute arose because of this:
I was claiming there to be an anti-Catholic bias on this site.
The religion moderator (I think that’s who it was), then asked me why there are more Catholic articles then from members of any other religion.
I said that it is because it is the largest “denomination” in America and the world.
If he was considering Protestants as a single group, then he would not have stated so confidently that Catholics post more articles than any other group.
Metmom challenged my point that Catholicism is the largest “denomination,” I believe she challenged that it was the largest in the world specifically.
No matter, a “friendly debate” ensued about which is the largest “denomination” in America and the world.
Oh no...Thank YOU for posting another thread magnet for all the hate filled anti-Catholic bigots on FR.
I believe that the Nicene Creed is literally true.
I'm the type of Catholic who believes the Bible when Jesus tells us that we will be Judged and any of us can be Judged to hell eternal based upon our deeds; I believe Paul when he tells us that we will all be Judged and will account to Jesus for all of our deeds and will have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
When you're 83 years old, you've had a lot of time to practice.
Is that your buddy name for cronos?
No. I just call him Cronos.
I'm the type of Catholic who believes the Bible when Jesus tells us that we will be Judged and any of us can be Judged to hell eternal based upon our deeds;So you are working at attaining your own righteousness with God's help?
I for one was being facetious.
“Thanks, as an ex Catholic of 27 years and saved by grace alone, thru Faith alone in Christ Alone, I am aware of that.”
Really? How do you know? Did God send you an angel to tell you?
“Just trying to get a feel for what kind of Catholic he or she was.”
Mark is an orthodox Catholic.
I’m still interested in just how muawiyah knew that the judge *waved the letter around*, if it even happened.
Was he there? Did he see it? Did someone connected with the case tell him about it?
What does this have to do with this thread? I see Lent wasn’t kind to you - still posting the same fabricated post. That’s the result of not having the Truth, God’s Word is the Final Authority. Poor misled little catholics - under the thumb of the mad hatter!
Osmosis!
Sure looks like a lot of Catholics have been disobeying Catholic tradition for a long time, doesn’t it?
“Thanks, as an ex Catholic of 27 years and saved by grace alone, thru Faith alone in Christ Alone, I am aware of that.”Better than that, His Word.Really? How do you know? Did God send you an angel to tell you?
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Better than being under the thumb of this guy:
I believe in Jesus and am Catholic. Do I have eternal life?
If he is a defense lawyer how does that equal a mistrial....presumably the defendant gets the best defense he can...and if he wants this man, so be it.
The Catholic church.
Telling its congregants what to think and say.
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