Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
That and the rest of your post is your opinion.
What FACTS stated in those studies are you questioning specifically?
None, apparently, since I've asked you for them a half dozen times and you haven't been able to offer anything.
Do you doubt that the U.S. is over 50% Protestant and 24% Roman Catholic?
Because that was the statistic I cited in each of those studies you're questioning.
Individual FReepers.
On this we can agree.
Since there aren't any scientifically proven facts, for the reasons given several times over, I am questioning the entire study.
None, apparently, since I've asked you for them a half dozen times and you haven't been able to offer anything.
And I've supplied the reasons to you and to the RF as many times. Come up with a scientifically accurate survey, or use the one I suggested if you'd rather. I don't really care. Facts are facts. Your opinion, or those of yet another liberal website, are not facts. Bring some facts, if you can. Anything else is simply your opinion, regardless of grand mal seizures waving Pentecostal prayer hankies and declaring victory.
I wasn’t aware of the rule change when I posted that.
I’m going to have to go back and examine the change.
No one said the rules have changed.
They might be being clarified.
What you posted is correct, with the addition of the word “FReepers.”
I’m going to have to go back and examine the change.
I think I'll repeat this, just so none of us is confused -- the rules have not changed.
Do you agree or disagree that the United States is 50% Protestant and 24% Roman Catholics?
I guess I’ll have to check back on the other thread then.
Just pointing out another absurdity of a Calvinist POV: God’s not satisfied with damning a person before the beginning of creation, but after the person is dead, he’d have to resurrect him and tell him, “I’m going to punish you in hell forever because you perfectly—though you had no choice—followed the plan I set out for you since before the beginning of the world, all for my good pleasure and greater glory.” That’s just perverse piling on. And again we have to ask, “Glory before whom?” If all is created by God and determined by God, then there is no other “who” before whom glory, to whatever degree, is to be manifest and no context within which glory would even have any meaning. The whole thing is nothing more than an audience of one, the sound of that one’s hands clapping. Even Zen makes more sense than that.
Just pointing out another absurdity of a Calvinist POV: God’s not satisfied with damning a person before the beginning of creation, but after the person is dead, he’d have to resurrect him and tell him, “I’m going to punish you in hell forever because you perfectly—though you had no choice—followed the plan I set out for you since before the beginning of the world, all for my good pleasure and greater glory.” That’s just perverse piling on. And again we have to ask, “Glory before whom?” If all is created by God and determined by God, then there is no other “who” before whom glory, to whatever degree, is to be manifest and no context within which glory would even have any meaning. The whole thing is nothing more than an audience of one, the sound of that one’s hands clapping. Even Zen makes more sense than that.
Agree or disagree with whom? You? Or your ONE study that you have linked to from several different sites that gives no substantiation of its data? Bring me a scientifically accurate study or use the one I suggested and we can discuss facts, not your whims or wishful thinking.
Can we just get a simple, straight answer from you or is that impossible?
Do you agree with those statistics or don't you? If you disagree with them, please provide supporting data.
You've only posted links to a single study. Are you unable to find another one?
Dozens of studies and encyclopedias and almanacs and websites and government agencies show that the United States is 50% Protestant and 24% Roman Catholics?" If you are a veteran writer for a newspaper, tell me what the question mark and open quotation marks mean. Is this a statement, a quotation, or a question?
Can we just get a simple, straight answer from you or is that impossible?
You haven't asked me a simple straight question thus far.
Do you agree with those statistics or don't you? If you disagree with them, please provide supporting data.
These are not statistics. They are figures that you claim without substantiation - all from a single source that has no substantiation. Dispense with your dozens of sources until you actually state what they are. Otherwise, you are pulling your figures from the same orifice that you pull your theology.
Bring me a scientifically accurate study, or use the one that I mentioned, I don't care which. Until you do, your figures are not to be considered statistics, nor are they data. They are simply unproven, unsubstantiated, and to all intents and purposes, fictitious. I don't have to disagree with them. You presented them, you prove them. Don't look at me to do your homework for you.
If I propose something, I have to prove it. Same goes for you, regardless of whatever your age or the state of your faculties. Do you wish to provide proof for your claims or do you wish to continue claiming unsubstantiated statements as facts?
Interesting. And, of course, the self-proclaimed, self-saved individuals who demand that God honour their self-salvation find nothing wrong with this scenario - as long as they can self-determine that they are all saved and everyone else can just go to hell.
And again we have to ask, “Glory before whom?” If all is created by God and determined by God, then there is no other “who” before whom glory, to whatever degree, is to be manifest and no context within which glory would even have any meaning. The whole thing is nothing more than an audience of one, the sound of that one’s hands clapping. Even Zen makes more sense than that.
Applause. I had not heard it put quite this way before. From the times that I had strapped on my figurative gas mask, my metaphoric environment suit, and connected up my spiritual breathing supply and waded through the Reformed swamp, in my pursuit of learning about the nonChristians in the world, I must admit that this is a rather good, concise and meaningful description of Reformed theology.
Nah, I was gone for a week. Went to Dollywood on vacation.
I lean more toward Glennfiddich or Jameson :>)
Welcome back. Hope Dollywood was lots of fun.
Not much of a fan of country music. The kids liked it, and the grandson loved the rides.
I posted several links and several studies and several sources, all in agreement with the statistics I posted.
They all confirmed that 50% of the U.S. is Protestant and 24% of the U.S. is Roman Catholic.
If you’re unfamiliar with this fact, even after being shown this valid statistic dozens of times now on the forum, none of us can do much more to aid your comprehension.
You posted several links to the same flawed study. Of course they all agreed.
If you have no scientifically accurate study or are unable to find one, I would be pleased to suggest the CUNY study, or if you don't like that, then what remains is your opinion of a single flawed study whose figures are unsubstantiated. You keep posting about all these dozens of studies, but you don't actually post what they are. It's like your thousands of supposed Catholic links that publish all kinds of unChristian stuff, but in the end, all you have is a Jewish mystic web site that doesn't even pretend to be Catholic. It's a lot of fun here, good Doctor. It's not even that difficult to debunk all the antiCatholic and antiChristian lies, and it is soooo easy to pull all the pagan beliefs off the OPC website, like I did today to prove that the OPC does not believe in the Nicene Creed in toto, only little snippets, much like their belief in the Bible and sufficiency of Scripture - only little snippets forced together in a blender and strung together in very very unChristian fashion.
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