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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

At an intensely combative and vitriolic hearing Friday afternoon in a sex-abuse case that has shaken the Philadelphia Archdiocese to its core, a state court judge shocked one priest's defense attorney by disclosing that the government thinks he might be a witness as a former seminarian and could be disqualified from the case. The lawyer, who represents one of three current and former Roman Catholic priests charged with raping boys in their parish, fired back that prosecutors were being "anti-Catholic" and had uttered an "abomination."

Judge Renee Cardwell Hughes told defense attorney Richard DeSipio that she's received information that "might make you, in fact, a witness because of events that occurred while you were a seminarian."

The information "stems from the fact that you attended the seminary with a student who asserts he was abused," Hughes said, adding that DeSipio "may possess factual knowledge about abuse that occurred with that student."

She added that the substance of the claim that DiSipio witnessed something is still unclear. "I just don't know if it's true," Hughes said. "I really don't know if it's true."

Yelling and visibly upset, DeSipio demanded that the government, then and there, identify the source of the allegation. "Let them spill it out right now!" DeSipio demanded.

"How dare they send you a letter about that," DeSipio said, referring to the district attorney's office. "That's an abomination."

Prosecutors said only that part of DeSipio's seminary training overlapped with the tenure of a senior clergyman accused of endangering children by failing to protect them from priests with a known history of abuse.

Monsignor William Lynn, now pastor of St. Joseph Church in Downingtown, Pa., is reportedly the highest-ranking member of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States ever to be charged with child endangerment. Between 1984 and 1992, he served as dean of men at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa., according to his biography on St. Joseph's website. As the secretary for clergy for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia from 1992 to 2004, Lynn acted as personnel director for priests. He is accused of ignoring reports of abuse, covering up for them and putting children in danger.

"They are anti-Catholic. I'll say it," DiSipio fumed. "[The district attorney is] attacking me as a Catholic!"

The judge rejected DiSipio's claim. "Attack you? You attacked me! You don't even know me!" Hughes said, referring to a prior argument over the necessity of a preliminary hearing, another hotly contested issue Friday afternoon.

"Mr. DeSipio, I suggest you shut up," Hughes said. "People are coming from out of the woodwork [to provide information to the commonwealth.]"

If the government can prove the allegation is credible in 30 days, DeSipio will be disqualified as the archdiocese's attorney.

"You can change lawyers now, you can change lawyers in 30," the judge warned DeSipio's client, the Rev. James Brennan. "[But] there are some conflicts that are not waivable."

DeSipio argued that the 30-day investigation was "really unfair to Father Brennan," given his mounting legal costs.

Judge Hughes was livid that DeSipio spoke up again. "If you open your mouth one more time I am going to have the sheriff take you out of here," she told DeSipio.

As DeSipio continued to argue, Hughes said she might have him "locked up and held in contempt." Instead she issued a gag order, responding to what she observed as attorneys having "gone to the airways to advocate."

"No more interviews with anyone," the judge ruled.

"Does that include the DA going on Chris Matthews' 'Hardball' and going to the New York Times," defense attorney Michael McGovern asked.

The judge responded affirmatively: "I don't want tweets. I don't want Facebook. I don't want IMs [instant messages]."

Hughes said the court will revisit the gag order on April 15, when defendants are to be arraigned. That date also marks the deadline for the DA to provide the defense with the first batch of discovery, she said.

All but one of the defense attorneys challenged the government's amendment to its case, which added a conspiracy charge that had not explicitly been requested of the grand jury.

"The issue here is that if the DA seeks to amend, it has to be subject to some sort of prima facie determination," the defense argued.

The judge found otherwise, ruling that the commonwealth established "good cause" in its pleadings and that "there is no constitutional right - federal or state - for a preliminary hearing."

It was "a technical error on the commonwealth not to charge conspiracy" originally, Hughes said. "Conspiracy is made," and the defendants will not be afforded a preliminary hearing, she ruled.

Hughes said there was abundant evidence to support the amendment.

"I'm the only person, besides the prosecutors, who has seen every stitch of evidence," she said.

Defense attorney McGovern argued that her admission was precisely the problem.

"Your Honor, this is patently unfair!" McGovern said. "You know the evidence. They know the evidence. I don't know what the evidence is! I haven't seen any!"

The attorney said proceeding to trial without a preliminary hearing was like saying, "Let's have a dart game in a dark room."

"What kind of country is this where we have this?" he shouted.

The judge yelled back, baring her teeth: "You sit down! Sit, sit, sit!"

DeSipio agreed with McGovern that their clients deserve a preliminary hearing, which could allow them to confront their accusers.

"There's no witness. I know that they [the prosecutors] don't like that he's in jail," DeSipio said. "This accuser says there was an erect penis in his buttocks."

"Was it in your buttocks, or was it in your anus," he asked rhetorically. "If that question wasn't asked [of the grand jury], and he didn't specify anus or butt cheeks, I have a right to ask that."

"What you can't do, and what I submit they're trying to do, is say just because we have a grand jury, we have good cause [to by-pass a preliminary hearing]," DeSipio said.

The judge also addressed a potential conflict of interest concerning Monsignor Lynn, who unlike the three current and former priests, faces child endangerment charges - not rape or sexual assault. Plans for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia to pay Lynn's legal costs present "a whole array of conflicts that I can't even imagine at this point in time," Hughes said.

"It's real simple," the judge said to Lynn, who was donning his clerical collar, "your master is the person that's putting bread on the table."

"It may be in your best interest to put forth a defense that attacks other people [or the church]," Hughes said.

She told Lynn he was putting himself in the position of receiving "advice from people who are being paid by people whose interests don't necessarily align with yours."

The stakes of this gamble could amount to "14 years of incarceration versus probation," she said.

Lynn, in a calm voice, declined. "Well, I trust these two men." he said, adding that the church hadn't placed any conditions on the payment of his legal costs.

Hughes was incredulous. "You are making a knowing, voluntary and intelligent decision to place yourself in conflict with your attorneys?" she asked.

"I am," Lynn responded, waiving his right to any future appeal based on the argument that his attorneys had a conflict of interest.

"Then we're moving forward," the judge said.

After arraignments and release of the first batch of discovery, which will include grand jury notes and testimony, on April 15, the government will begin putting together a second batch. The government said that batch would take longer to produce, as it will include roughly 10,000 pages of documentation, much of which will need to be redacted.

Hughes said the government must give the defense a specific timeline for the production of the second batch. "There has to be some finality," she said.

In January, a grand jury returned an indictment for rape and sexual assault against one current priest, one defrocked priest and one man who taught at a Catholic school. Monsignor Lynn, the third cleric who worked for the archdiocese as secretary of clergy, is accused of giving known abusers easy access to minors.


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To: WPaCon

What is there to understand about a dead church? Speaking of dead - did they dig up the pope’s dead body to get ready for the celebration of the dead yet? Or will prayers to/for the dead have to be said first - to call on those spirits?


1,001 posted on 03/28/2011 5:23:12 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

True statement by Dr. E!


1,002 posted on 03/28/2011 5:24:20 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; WPaCon; lastchance; metmom; smvoice; count-your-change; bkaycee
If you are planning to rest on your own good works when God judges you, good luck with that. As for Bible-believing Christians, we will rejoice in the righteous good work of Jesus Christ mercifully and freely imputed to us.

I wish men would think on the sin of Adam and eve.. the desire to be gods still lives on in their children

1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1,003 posted on 03/28/2011 5:25:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: presently no screen name
call on those spirits?

Is that would you did? That would explain some things...

1,004 posted on 03/28/2011 5:27:01 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon; presently no screen name
Yeah, I do. It’s a perfect example of the Holy Spirit working through sinful humans, just how He does with the Catholic Church.

What is the measuring rod you use to test to see if what the church teaches is correct?

1,005 posted on 03/28/2011 5:28:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MarkBsnr

Mark, you’re wasting our time again.

I gave you an example of the phrase “inconvenient truth” used, not from a liberal perspective, but from a conservative pov.

Every assault you’ve leveled at Bible-believing Christians has been refuted with evidence.

Your habit is to ignore the evidence and declare yourself the victor. Much like a six-year-old.

Thankfully, we can all read the thread and know the truth.

And FYI - using words like “cow manure” isn’t appropriate behavior on the Religion Forum. Your previous posts which used words like that have been pulled.

Try to learn and do better.


1,006 posted on 03/28/2011 5:28:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
the desire to be gods still lives on in their children

Yep, humility is necessary. Otherwise people go off starting up their man made churches and whatnot...

1,007 posted on 03/28/2011 5:29:01 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: lastchance

Please don’t make this personal.


1,008 posted on 03/28/2011 5:30:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; presently no screen name

“What is the measuring rod you use to test to see if what the church teaches is correct?”

I don’t need one. Who am I to judge God’s Church?


1,009 posted on 03/28/2011 5:30:52 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon
You posted the picture, hat and all......Never denied that.

I didn't say you denied it, I said you POSTED it.

No, but you seem to have some aversion to it.

REALLY? Who is the one denying God's Word - WHICH IS ALL TRUTH - is The Final Authority? And by HIS WORD you will be judged by. Catholics fail even when it comes to common sense.

And Maryology defies HIS WORD. ALL man made teachings vilifies God's WORD. Catholics live by aversion to truth and deliberately so.
1,010 posted on 03/28/2011 5:32:24 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
I’m not judging - get to know the Truth.

I posted the Truth spoken by Jesus Christ. The only issue is whether or not you believe that Matthew 9 and Luke 7 apply to you or not.

If you believe that they apply to you, well, you may be Christian. If you believe that they do not apply to you, then you are not Christian. Very simple and very easy. What side do you come down on - the side of Christ and His instructions to us, or your own side in which you claim Bible Belief (tm) and ignore most of the Bible?

1,011 posted on 03/28/2011 5:32:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
Mark, you STILL have not told us where the Pew Study erred.

Please tell us what information given by the Pew Study is incorrect.

Your lack of doing so, after being asked numerous times, leads us to believe you may not be able to find any fault with the Pew Study other than it refutes your misrepresentation of the facts.

1,012 posted on 03/28/2011 5:32:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: presently no screen name

I guess you can live in your own little universe if you really want to.

Just don’t think I ever recommended it.


1,013 posted on 03/28/2011 5:34:20 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: lastchance

Thanks for offering more evidence of criminal wrong-doing by RC priests.


1,014 posted on 03/28/2011 5:34:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: WPaCon
Yep, humility is necessary. Otherwise people go off starting up their man made churches and whatnot...

LOL The Roman church is completely man made.. it is not the church of the NT.. it is a church build by mens musings and fleshly desire for wealth and power.. Christ is no where found in Rome

There is great pride in believing that one can do anything that pleases God...the best a man can do is sin to God

1,015 posted on 03/28/2011 5:34:51 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: presently no screen name

There is a difference between prosecuting criminal and immoral behaviour and simply being antiCatholic and using any and all means possible to attack the Church.


1,016 posted on 03/28/2011 5:35:17 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: WPaCon; presently no screen name
don’t need one. Who am I to judge God’s Church?

And how do you KNOW it is Gods church ?

1,017 posted on 03/28/2011 5:36:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: lastchance
What serious accusations. You do know there are no criminal allegations against him?

So I suppose assaulting women and drug addiction are not "serious accusations" to some Roman Catholics.

Interesting. No wonder this scandal rages on unabated.

1,018 posted on 03/28/2011 5:37:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
LOL The Roman church is completely man made

Well, technically, Jesus is a man.

it is not the church of the NT

Please, let's leave historical revisionism to the leftists and Muslims.

it is a church build by mens musings and fleshly desire for wealth and power

Which Protestant sect are you referring to?

Christ is no where found in Rome

He is present in Masses in Rome.

the best a man can do is sin to God

That explains the behavior of many anti-Catholics here.

1,019 posted on 03/28/2011 5:41:07 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: RnMomof7
And how do you KNOW it is Gods church ?

Well, when God establishes a Church, I tend to believe it's His.

1,020 posted on 03/28/2011 5:42:50 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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