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To: All; scory; svcw; ejonesie22; SpringtoLiberty; ShadowAce; lurk; fungoking; SZonian; caww; NEMDF; ...
ALL: Documentation for #5 & #6: The Mormon jesus is not from everlasting to everlasting, but was created a finite time ago by his father god, who in turn was also created by his own father god, who in turn was created by his own father god, so on and so forth

#6: The Mormon jesus is not the greatest being possible.

First, I went to lds.org, just like Scory implied -- and like other Mormons have said I should do. I found this reference to a "Heavenly Mother" who gave spirit-image birth to Jesus and the rest of us:

A Building upon the foundation laid by Joseph Smith, subsequent prophets taught that God was not single, but married; that there is a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother; and that we were made in their image: male and female children. (See James R. Clark, comp., Messages of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6 vols., Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965–75, 4:203, 205.) The Lord as a Role Model for Men and Women (Aug. 1980)

Then, b, I pulled out The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith 1938 book I have:

Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

Ah, infinite regression involving numerous gods.

And then, c -- to reinforce that these gods are not the greatest beings possible: “The doctrine of a plurality of Gods is prominent in the Bible. The heads of the Gods appointed our God for us…you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you…” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 370-372, 346)

Otherwise, if Mormons think this is false, then they'd believe that they, too could catch up & perhaps even pass Jesus as the "greatest being" possible.

Hence, the Mormon god wasn't always god. He was "appointed" by a council of "heads of the gods" of Mormonism.

Obviously the Mormon gods who got a "jumpstart" on godhood before the Kolob Mormon gods have been gods longer. But even they are not revealed to be the ultimate God -- the Original God.

Mormonism has no such god. How sad that they worship such low-level gods.

69 posted on 03/25/2011 12:00:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt -

"We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time."

The Seer, p. 172 (1853)

78 posted on 03/25/2011 12:16:07 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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