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To: Iscool
You're the one who said the church will suffer in the Tribulation

No, I didn't. There is no reason to expect that we will be free from suffering. Suffering has been a part of the Church since Christ hung on the Cross.

While some Christians have and do suffer for the testimony of Jesus Christ, most don't...

The Faith is so badly misunderstood outside of the Church...

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

The church will not go thru the Tribulation...We will not experience the wrath to come...

I simply think you are wrong. Sorry. This is a new interpretation from the recent couple of centuries but the history of the Church goes back to the Christians in the Colosseum and Christ on the Cross. They did not see their suffering as something of a curse. They saw their suffering as offering oblation for the Glory of God. So will it be in the Tribulation. What you have rejected is the key you need to understand the Revelation--the Holy Mass offered by the Church.

66 posted on 03/23/2011 6:37:04 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
What you have rejected is the key you need to understand the Revelation--the Holy Mass offered by the Church.

Oh c'mon now...You're not talking to another Catholic...

I simply think you are wrong. Sorry. This is a new interpretation from the recent couple of centuries but the history of the Church goes back to the Christians in the Colosseum and Christ on the Cross. They did not see their suffering as something of a curse. They saw their suffering as offering oblation for the Glory of God. So will it be in the Tribulation.

I think you need to spend more time in the word of God...When babies are cut out from mothers stomachs while being held by non Christians, parents watching the arms and legs being ripped from their children's bodies, while mothers and fathers watch their kids starve to death, while parents out of unfathomable hunger resort to eating the flesh of their children, you tell us that people will glory in this suffering as an offering to God...

It's clear to me you don't have a clue what Revelation is all about...

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

'If so be that' is the same as saying 'since we do' (suffer) with him...The suffering is referenced as persecution whether it be painful, or spiritual which we all go thru...

It does not mean that someone will cause every Christian pain for being a Christian...And it does not mean we 'must' suffer pain...We are not under any law, but grace...

67 posted on 03/24/2011 5:49:50 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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