Posted on 03/21/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by fishtank
Is that why you don't see ANY of us 'ANTIs' defending our 'church' like MORMONs do?
Always?
“Look to me like Glen(n) Beck is trying to be the white, male, conservative Oprah.”
No, he cries more than Oprah. And he eats marshmallow chicks.
Thanks be to GOD, for His word: sharper than a two-edged sword!
Dangerous territory, indeed!
Then I guess the vast Christian arena has MORMONism all wrong.
;^)
“It is unimportant which denomination of church I worship at, as long as it teaches the bible and only the bible.”
Unless you’re talking about the old testament. I guess you have a problem with the JOOOs as well.
ALL: This is how deception works. I point out Masters' claim to perfection. Somebody points to past-tense mistakes by Masters -- which, of course, doesn't address Masters' claim at all to having "evolved" into perfection from those "past mistakes."
All anybody has to do is enter the word perfection and then "Roy Masters" on a google search.
First hit: "When a Bride's Love Turns Cold by Roy Masters When a Bride's Love Turns Cold by Roy Masters. ... True love begins to temper those appetites as we grow toward perfection by correcting all those ... www.fhu.com/articles/love_cold.html - Cached Roy Masters' Moment of Truth This is a profile of Roy Masters at the very beginning of his career, 38 ... www.fhu.com/articles/healers_book1.html - Cached - Similar
Hit #4: Beyond the Known - Google Books Result Roy Masters, Dorothy Baker - 1988 - Philosophy - 255 pages ... a good look at your own relationships,with your spouse and with others,and ask yourself whether those relationships are evolving toward perfection. ...books.google.com/books?isbn=0933900031...
Hit #5: What is perfection? - BeStillAndKnow.Name Jan 5, 2011 ... What is perfection? ... About Roy Masters In 1963, Roy formed the Foundation of Human ... And why do we expect perfection from others? ... www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=12195&p=3... - Cached
Hit #6: Making Sense Message Boards - How To Make a Right Decision (Roy ... Jun 27, 2007 ... His name is Roy Masters. I was first introduced to Roy Masters by accidentally .... to prove yourself and realize your own perfection ...http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=perfection+%22roy+masters%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934
Sorry, but only one Man has ever been perfect -- and nobody else has attained it from a "past mistake" life via self-realization, self-direction, self-intuiting, natural inner energy, dependency upon the Within, and self-hypnosis.
Go take your human potential cult and peddle it elsewhere.
I actually had this saved with all the religions views on LDS and will have to recreate it.
I can’t figure out what the title was.
Methodists:
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=2&mid=3558
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, by self-definition, does not fit within the bounds of the historic, apostolic tradition of Christian faith,” delegates said.
and a search result off their website should prove useful:
http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.5687105/k.77B9/Search_Results_UMCorg.htm?query=mormons&more=umc_sites
Always? (Elsie)
(Why, of course, Els...haven't you read Mindbender 3:16?)
Of course, Mindbender has just indicted some of the resistance to the Nazis, which was religious-based...the medieval stoppage of the advancement of Islam in Spain & beyond, which was religious-based...much of the 19th century abolition-based, which was largely religious based...Martin Luther King's movement, which was religious based...a good chunk of the pro-life movement, which is religious based.
Presbyterians:
According to a pamphlet produced by the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.),
“...Mormonism is a new and emerging religious tradition distinct from the historic apostolic tradition of the Christian Church, of which Presbyterians are a part...Latter-day Saints understand themselves to be separate from the continuous witness to Jesus Christ, from the apostles to the present, affirmed by churches of the “catholic” tradition. Latter-day Saints and the historic churches view the canon of scriptures and interpret shared scriptures in radically different ways. They use the same words with dissimilar meanings. When the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints speaks of the Trinity, Christ’s death and resurrection, and salvation, the theology and practices related to these set it apart from the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant churches.”
Presbyterians do not recognize the baptism administered to Mormons. A convert must be re-baptized. Similarly Presbyterians do not allow LDS officials to administer the Lord’s Supper.
Here a PDF from the Presbyterians. To to page 2:
http://www.pcusa.org/media/uploads/interfaithrelations/pdf/presbyteriansandlatterdaysaints.pdf
Well since this thread is about Beck I see no need to engage in a debate AGAIN with the closed mind of Colofornian about Roy Masters, Colofornian gets all his info about Roy from some old website about cults, notice how old the info is that he’s quoting, lol, cults tend to work in secret, Roy has been on the air for 50 years and is now on close to 200 stations 2 hrs a day, so needless to say, is open to anyone that wants to challenge him on air or in person at his Sunday sessions about his ‘cultist’ beliefs, dare I say he would wipe the floor with Colofornian in much the same way he wiped the floor with Walter Martin. (Nuff said!)
And here is another site that compiles the various doctrines and their belief that LDS is not Christian:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_crit.htm
These statements and more demonstrate the seperateness of Christianity and Mormonism.
The only reason they say "We are Christian" is an attempt to morph into something they are not and co-opt Christianity.
"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.
"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324
“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).
"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)
"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)
"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)
"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)
"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)
"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)
"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)
“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9
1 Nephi 14:10 "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."
"Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian" (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).
Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).
Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray. Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.” (Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).
And for some real fun. Take a look at this plaque, in Temple Square, with a statue of Joseph Smith atop it.
It is still there today and speaks to the LDS view they are the one true church and they have been restored. All others are posuers.
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss354/elsieel/MORMON17.jpg
(Of course, this statement appears to assume that most are likewise so spiritually protected...that our country & world isn't loaded with spiritually fragile people too easily influenced)
If you're such a perfectionist like a good Roybot, I guess that puts you in the same two cultic categories as Mormons: Legalistic...and Human potential. (Only Lds exceed your perfectionism by saying it leads to become a god...How many here think Beck will become a god of his own world one day -- LIKE his leaders teach...and here Beck critiques Obama as being guilty of overreach?)
Well said my FRiend!
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