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To: mdmathis6
The arab nations will attack and the Israeli’s will hit all of their countries with nukes(Psalms 83? prophecy).

Is this bait-and-switch?

Up until the riots, the bad-guys who were supposed to be invading Israel was Gog and Magog which your teachers claim is Russia. What part of the Bible changed so its no longer Gog and Magog, but now "arab nations", which incidentally, is NEVER stated in any prophecy for any time to be an invader of the political nation of Israel?

On the other hand the Bible says that many jews see the hand of the Lord in these events and will come to know him as well as many gentiles as well.

I know its fun to speculate, but for good speculation, you need at least something to be a basis in fact. For two thousand uninterrupted years, Jews have hated Jesus Christ, and our LORD says to hate Him is to hate God. Throughout the Old Testament, when Jews were against God, He smacked them down until Repentance. Here you suggest that God changes His ways so that He rewards them while they are still in their rebellion and hatred of His son. To suggest that God acts in this manner means that He acts contrary to the Covenant made with Moses - you may remember: "Choose you this day who you will serve", such where they choose to worship God, they receive blessings, otherwise curses. So far secular Israel is deeply immersed in the culture that receives curses.

Furthermore, when Hitler and his boys were shoving Jews into ovens by the millions there wasn't this literal "Come To Jesus" revival among the Jews. If merciless genocidal slaughter didn't do it then, what has fundamentally changed to make the threat rather than reality of it change today? Remember, the last two times the Arab world has tangled with the Israelis, it was overwhelmingly one-sided victory - and still, there was no recognition that this win was by God and thus no revival. Again, when the empirical evidence clearly proves the opposite, why do you place utmost confidence in fantasy over reality?

And lets not play the "The Bible Sez So" game, because the overwhelming majority of genuine believers, many of whom have a much stronger and comprehensive understanding of the Scriptures than the Hagees and Lindseys of this world, read and have read Ezekiel far differently than the relatively new-comer Dispensationalist interprets it.

167 posted on 03/20/2011 6:20:30 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Pray for Obama (Psalms 109:8))
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To: The Theophilus

WRONG

AGAIN.

So many silly notions from one source. Amazing.


177 posted on 03/20/2011 7:07:49 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus; TaraP; Netizen
For two thousand uninterrupted years, Jews have hated Jesus Christ, and our LORD says to hate Him is to hate God. Throughout the Old Testament, when Jews were against God, He smacked them down until Repentance. Here you suggest that God changes His ways so that He rewards them while they are still in their rebellion and hatred of His son.

Respectfully, you dont know the Jewish position at all. We Jews have not "hated" the man from Nazareth. He did not fulfill the requirements of messiah and he is not a divine god-man. Hate? No, other than a hatred of the doctrine that spawned 2000 years of slaughter of Jews in his name. Roman wars, Crusades,Inquisitions, Pogroms, expulsions, blood libels and the anti-jewish ramblings of Martin Luther that were repeated by the Nazi's in Nuremberg, leading up to the holocaust. Christians have given the Jews plenty to hate. G-d is consistent in his treatment of the Jewish people. G-d smacked down the Jewish people for idolatry. Persuing other gods. Like the Roman god-man Jesus.

Furthermore, when Hitler and his boys were shoving Jews into ovens by the millions there wasn't this literal "Come To Jesus" revival among the Jews. If merciless genocidal slaughter didn't do it then, what has fundamentally changed to make the threat rather than reality of it change today?

So, you are saying the holocaust should have brought them to Christ? Is that some kind of joke? The Jews in the holocaust did not perish for rejecting Jesus, they were slaughtered because of the sins of the gentiles. When they were being stuffed into ovens, they were not bearing their own sin but the sins of the gentiles who were murdering them. G-d NEVER authorized the gentile nations to slaughter the Jews. And G-d will judge the gentile nations for going way to far in their treatment of the Jewish people.

G-d is pleased with much of Israel and there clearly is a holy remnant. There is more Torah learning in Israel today than perhaps at anytime since or incuding biblical days. So, the miracles of the 1948, 1967, 1973 and other wars is not bring about revival for Jesus but to show the world, G-d is with His people. It should make the nations review their false belief systems, not the Jews.

G-d will deal with the secular Jews in Israel but it sure wont be through Jesus, who is not coming back, you can forget about that. He had his chance and the Tanach(OT) NEVER says there will be a second coming to finish the job. Furthermore, no one can even be considered messiah until ALL the messianic prophecies have occurred, past tense. Only then will we know he is not a false messiah, like the man from Nazareth.

220 posted on 03/20/2011 11:21:13 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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