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To: Claud; Markos33
If Mary was free from sin, why did she say
"And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in
God my Savior."
?

Why did Mary need a savior?

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned

Now either Mary was born into sin, as Romans 5:12 states and thus NEEDS a savior-which SHE HERSELF claimed. Romans 5:18 states
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Or by being immaculatly conceived, like Christ, as you are claiming, she is without sin-but then, would be without sin. Then her claim for needing a savior would be wrong.

If Mary DID need a savior, as she stated, but was immaculately conceived as you stated, then the very same standard applies to Jesus, who was then LIKEWISE immaculately conceived BUT then ALSO born into sin, who would then also require a savior.

So either Christ is different from Mary,and not requiring a savior, or he is the same as Mary, requiring a savior.

Now, if Jesus is considered by birth to a woman to be man, but being conceived by the spirit, by nature be God. Then the very same applies to Mary, if she were as you claim, immaculately conceived. Mary would be born of a woman be man (human), but being conceived of God, by nature be God.

Thus, if Mary were by her very nature God also, would Christ be God BOTH through Mary and the Holy Spirit? Thus eliminating man from his lineage.

But Luke gives us Jesus' lineage through Mary and Jesus' lineage through Joseph. The two lineages converge at David-But through 2 different sons. Joseph comes through the line of Solomon, heir to the kingdom, thereby making Jesus, heir to the kingdom. But Mary comes from the lineage of Nathan, through blood.

Now what is interesting when you read of the lineages of Mary and Joseph, in Joseph's lineage, Rahab, Bathsheba and Ruth are mentioned. A harlot, an adulterer and a Moabite.

BUT... in Mary's lineage, not one woman is named. Just who the father and son is.

If Mary was immaculately conceived, would not HER MOTHERS lineage need to be known, just as her lineage was needed for Jesus? But the Bible does not give us Mary's mothers lineage, just her fathers.

So IF Mary was immaculately conceived, why post her lineage through her father and not her mother also???

41 posted on 03/20/2011 6:24:05 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
The reason Catholic's insist on Mary's Sinlessness, is that she is their Savior - not the Lord Jesus Christ!

The Ubi Primam of 1849 States "For, God has committed to Mary ... every hope, every grace, and all salvation." This is on the Catholic Website: http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/p9ubipr2.htm

But know there is Salvation in no one else but the Lord Jesus Christ. Turn away from the worship of Mary and believing Salvation is in her. She would say to you "Do everything he (The Lord Jesus Christ) says. And the Lord Jesus Christ said "That you believe in He" (the Lord Jesus Christ) "whom He" (God the Father) "has Sent".

Believe upon Christ Alone. Christ plus anything else is not Salvation.

43 posted on 03/20/2011 6:42:18 AM PDT by sr4402
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