Messiah: Behold The Lamb Of God (REAL Mormon / LDS)

To: Paragon Defender

"You need to look here. You are being misled as is obvious by your worn out propaganda." ______________________________________________________________ No thanks, I'd rather look at my own official Mormon publication and get it straight from the horses mouth! I don't want to be called an anti-Mormon if I read it from their own publications!

Just like Joseph Smith's death, today it's described a little different than the way that John Taylor described it as an eye witness to the event!

See D&C 135:4
"When Joseph went to Carthage to deliver himself up to the pretended requirements of the law, two of three days previous to his assassination, he said: 'I am going like a lamb to the slaughter; but I am calm as a summer's morning; I have a conscience void of offense towards God and towards all men. "

The Ensign, June 1994, p. 22
"... the life of Joseph Smith was in some degree patterned after that of his Master, Jesus Christ. ... Like his Master, Joseph Smith also shed his blood in order that the final testament, the reestablishment of the new covenant, might be in full effect (see Heb. 9:16)."

Compare
History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 618 (1844)
Account of Joseph Smith's death describing his returning fire with a six shooter.

History of the Church, vol. 7, pp. 102-103 (1844
John Taylor - Recounts final minutes of Joseph Smith's life and how he shot and wounded two or three people, two of whom died, before Joseph himself was murdered.

Orson Pratt - "convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information" The Seer, p. 15 (1854)

Is that a true statement by Pratt?

123 posted on 03/18/2011 8:54:49 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)

To: Paragon Defender

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is Christ’s true Church restored to earth in these latter days.

Restored? Show us what was restored. It is not in those links. All they purport is some new stuff dreamed up by Joseph Smith, never heard of before. Unless you, personally, because of your testimony of it's veracity, can show us proof of the "restored" parts having EVER been part of the early church, anything else you say regarding Mormonism is null and void.

124 posted on 03/18/2011 8:56:04 AM PDT by rickomatic

I still love Smiths “lamb to slaughter” bit. So “Christ like”. Of course we all know how many Roman Centurions Christ took out on the way to the Cross...

125 posted on 03/18/2011 9:03:57 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)

I sometimes, sometimes, wonder what those guys talked about behind closed doors with each other.

You know the answer. With their eyes glazed over they stared in wonderment, full of themselves declared: "We have a new group of little Danish girls just off the boat. All have been baptized and anointed properly. We will now draw straws to see who gets the first pick. Marriage will occur within the hour."

YAHOO....!!!!

126 posted on 03/18/2011 9:07:51 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)

To: ForAmerica; Paragon Defender; SZonian

Paragon Defender states: “Actually, Anyone who has REALLY READ them, intellectually and earnestly, using the mind and heart God gave man to reason and learn with, knows Mormonism is true.”
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ForAmerica replies: Does that include the contradiction in the BOM and Mormon doctrine?

Does that include Mormonism of the 19th century and the 21st century doesn’t look the same?

Does that include the 1830 ed. of the BOM and the 1985 ed. of the BOM not being the same?

Does that include the five or six accounts of the first vision?

Do you if Moroni is “a god” now, if eternal progression is true? What about Mormon?

I’m confused....What’s true about Mormonism again? Does “truth” change?

Does that include "THE LETTER"?

127 posted on 03/18/2011 9:10:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)

To: Paragon Defender

BS. lds teach a created jesus, a created being by definition can not be divine. You might as well be worshiping Buddha.

128 posted on 03/18/2011 9:12:57 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)

129 posted on 03/18/2011 9:17:36 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)

To: Paragon Defender

I have heard the “different point of view”. satan said “you to can be god”.
lds teach that - it is a lie.

130 posted on 03/18/2011 9:19:18 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)

To: Paragon Defender

Again calling people liars. I have read your links (as others have) quoted from those links (as others have) and yet you continue to insist that we have not. Is lying that easy for you?

131 posted on 03/18/2011 9:21:42 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)

UB, my brother, you ain’t right. ;^)

132 posted on 03/18/2011 9:23:25 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)

To: Paragon Defender; ejonesie22

I have and God says “flee, flee from this blasphemy”.

133 posted on 03/18/2011 9:23:41 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)

So I’ve been told. LOL

134 posted on 03/18/2011 9:30:16 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)

135 posted on 03/18/2011 10:28:59 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)

There have been hints of unwholesome gatherings being held in the temple in the early days...when I have time I will do more research on this, but I imagine the Great Mormon History-Cleansing Machine has already done its work and zapped much of the proof into the vault.

Eerily familiar...

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.

16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

136 posted on 03/18/2011 11:09:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Paragon Defender

You are being misled as is obvious by your worn out propaganda.

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

137 posted on 03/18/2011 11:12:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Paragon Defender

Interesting how your red text is presented as a quote being signed by Joseph Smith.

So; is any of the red text a LIE or not?

If yes; then which part?

138 posted on 03/18/2011 11:14:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Account of Joseph Smith's death describing his returning fire with a six shooter.

That worked out well!

Too bad that the "prophet" could not see his own demise!

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly Facebook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

21 posted on 05/22/2010 7:00:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))

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JESUS: Hey Smith!
Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?