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To: Cincincinati Spiritus; blue-duncan; Gamecock; RnMomof7; metmom; Alex Murphy; Dutchboy88; ...
salvation is achieved by grace. Our good works are required but they do not merit us salvation

Yes, we've heard Roman Catholics trying to work around the errors of their own catechism. Either good works are the result of our salvation or good works result in our salvation.

Rome, sadly, teaches the latter which is a lie. From the RCC catechism...

2010 - Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

2027 - No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Your own catechism says a man's good works "merit for ourselves and for others all the graces need to attain eternal life."

"As well as temporary goods."

You mean like cash and strawberries?

Nothing proves the point of Rome's anti-Scriptural heresies as clearly as its own catechism.

80 posted on 03/13/2011 2:21:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

These distinctions you fail to make:

1) That all works begin with the grace of God and are carried through to completion by his grace.

2) That God works out no one’s salvation without his cooperation. The apostles, martyrs, saints and even those less are the vehicle by which God has chosen to work out our salvation, and it is only through them that salvation is worked out.

3) Our works, again begun and acted out through grace, do constitute meritorious action.

The fundamental error you make is that you deny the cooperation of men and assent of their will.

Finally, The Catechism of Trent is clearer and also more authoritative than that you cited: unfortunately newer is not better nor is the standard for such disputations. Actually, you’ll soon have me looking through the older Catechism if you keep this up.


82 posted on 03/13/2011 3:22:25 PM PDT by Cincincinati Spiritus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

St Eckleburg,

I believe the concept is that cooperating to having a weekly blood transfusion from the local shaman and... add in a little sanctimony then... bingo, you may have some excess merit to sell to others.


94 posted on 03/13/2011 4:38:15 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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