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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

That’s kind of an odd question, given the amount of information that I’ve already posted here, but I’ll answer anyway.

I do not believe that my salvation can be taken from me, as there is nothing that can overcome by force God’s Will in the matter. Proof of this is plentiful and I believe both sides agree here.

That being said, I do believe that I can lose my salvation by my actions, or inactions as it were, after I accept His gift. It’s not a matter of it being taken away or lost due to negligence or inability on Christ’s part, but a matter of me giving it up and rejecting it because of my own freewill in the matter. In essence, God will not force me to follow Him, neither will He force me to remain with Him. My proof for this view rests upon the following passages.

Isa 1:18 KJV - “[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”

This passage shows God’s appeal to men that they should reason with Him. There’s nothing here to suggest that He forces Himself on those who don’t wish Him in their lives.

Hbr 10:26-31 KJV - “[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

This passage from Hebrews clearly shows the results of those who sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the Truth. When taken in context, it’s clear that the writer of Hebrews was pointing out exactly what I’ve been stating. You can lose your salvation due to your own acts.

2Th 2:3 KJV - “[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

This passage clearly shows that some will fall away from their faith. If this isn’t possible, as you say, then what is being fell away from and why would it be important in the revealing of the man of sin?

1Jo 1:9 KJV - “[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

1Jo 2:1 KJV - “[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”

Mat 12:31-32 KJV - “[31] Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”

Luk 12:10 KJV - “[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.”

These passages clearly show that, while Christ is expecting us to sin, He also expects us to repent of that sin. These passages are also clearly speaking about Christians who sin, as only Christians can blaspheme the Holy Spirit since only we know Him.

Eze 3:20 KJV - “[20] Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.”

This is pretty straight forward. If a righteous man sins and dies in his sin, his righteousness is not remembered. God cannot lie, neither can He change. This proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there can be no sin in God’s presense.

I feel that this is a proper understanding of the texts, can you provide proof, including chapter and verse, that disproves this? Denominational doctrine without supporting scriptures will not be accepted.


367 posted on 03/03/2011 11:50:53 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: paladin1_dcs

GOODNESS. We believe so similarly.

Are you sure you want to take the hit in your reputation! LOL.


369 posted on 03/03/2011 12:28:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: paladin1_dcs

So, if I sin and forget about it and fail to repent, too bad for me, eh?


371 posted on 03/03/2011 12:29:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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