Posted on 02/28/2011 8:18:05 AM PST by hope_dies_last
It doesn’t matter what day. Colossians 2:16-17
This really is a minor argument and it always boils down to “we are better than you...because...”.
Christians should not be arguing about such things as what day of the week we worship on.
I composed and wrote my profile page defense of the Sabbath day to help “repair the breach” on what’s wrong with popular Christianity...
Have you personally taken the time to write anything to support worship-on-Sunday?
Okay, but then again, I do not limit myself to just one 24 hour period of time. I devote myself to God during my waking hours either in thought, word, or deed.
Success favors the prepared mind. This verse only reinforces my message. The Law cannot save. That is not its job. It points out our weakness and trains us for place called Heaven. Only the Blood of Christ saves. If we are attuned to Gods will, we willingly follow His law because He puts it in our heart to obey. The world hates God. They hate his law. They hate his Spirit. They are in rebellion. Gods law, His Spirit and Atonement are in harmony. Obey Gods law OR whatever you or your priest or the world tells you. The choice is yours.
Jesus has provided the Sabbath-rest and there is no real requirement to attend Sabbath service.
Now, I'm careful to not be too vocal about this because I do believe that it's beneficial for many folks to attend service and they might be shaken by the freedom offered them here. If many stop attending they may not get the fellowship, teaching required to keep them on the straight and narrow.
But I would never tell anyone that God requires them to go to Church. Grow in God, yes. But there are various ways of doing that for the mature, especially with the advent of the internet.
Is it possible that God simply wants us to take one day of rest for every six days worked? How do we know what day is the Sabbath, anyway? Has there been a continual, unbroken record of Sabbaths for every single week since Creation? What about when the Gregorian calendar replaced the Julian calendar? Do we still know what day actually is the Sabbath?
I agree that the Sabbath points to something much bigger—God’s Grace, but don’t mistake your devotion to God with God’s appointed day of worship.
Ho-hum. Once again about this time of year this same old topic pops up just like a bad penney. Like Johnson grass sprouting in a garden it keeps coming back, and back, and back.
Reminds me of this verse written about two hundred years ago by a Christian bishop in England....
“Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer, and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject”.
-—Bishop Horne 1831
The only thing missing is the old SDA claim that worshiping on Sunday is “THE MARK OF THE BEAST!”
Are these your words? God claims to have invented the 7 day week calendar by his act of creation and rest. You say different.
As far as Sabbath worship is concerned, that's between you and God. God said to do it. but you say "not important as you make out; otherwise, God would have some facility in place to insure the practice". I guess you are expecting Him to rain down fire from the sky on Sabbath breakers? That is not how He works. He causeth the rain to fall on the just and unjust alike. Read the Bible.
Jews, the original obervers of a “day of rest”, have always known that day to be Saturday (and accordingly, Sunday to be the first day of the new week). The Sabbath has been observed on Saturday for almost 3500 years, since the beginning of written Biblical history.
The shift of Sabbath to Sunday came considerably later in history- in an attempt to undermine the Jewish Sabbath observance. Take a look at this interesting article: http://tinyurl.com/ys9yj5.
Did the Jews practice the Sabboth before Moses came down the mountain with the Commandments? If not, then they were sure to be out of sysnc with the original Sabboth. I don't recall anything in the Bible that indicated on which day Moses decended from the mountain. Surely nobody was counting until the Commandment was issued.
One day is set aside for worship and praise. It really doen't make any difference which day that is; otherwise, we would have been given some means of knowing the modulas of the week.
Tell me how you know for sure that Saturday is the original Sabboth? Tell me how you know for sure that there was never an error in counting or otherwise tracking the days, and that today's Gregorian Calendar was aligned with Jewish practice.
We have lost track of entire civilizations! What makes you so sure that we haven't lost track of a few days?
Popular Christianity, after 331 A.D. (by edict of Constantine) has “crucified” the Sabbath by acting like it is no longer relevant, just as the Jews, at the time of Jesus, crucified Messiah.
“MacArthur said, “I shall return”. To be grammatically correct he should have said, “I will return”.”
MacArthur displayed a keen sense of etymology: “shall” comes from a Germanic/Old English word that, among other things, connotes “destined to”.
In this case, MacArthur said exactly what he meant.
Therefore, he was doubly correct: grammatically and historically.
Could you further clarify your statement?
Those are my words; yet, you have certainly misinterpreted what I am saying. The calander we are using was not setup by God, it was setup by man. The seven day cycle was indeed setup by God; however, you have no way of knowing if the Gregorian Calendar is synchronized to God's Creation schedule. You have no way of knowing that Saturday is the same day of the week as the ancient Sabboth. There are discontinuities in civilization between the ancient times and now. There is now way to demonstrate that Saturday is the same day of the week upon which God rested following Creation.
Many were delighted when he did return.
Ok, I’m convinced - I’m going to hell because of my sins, one of which is, according to you, worshipping on Sunday.
Thanks be to The God of all creation that my sins are forgiven through Jesus’ sacrifice!
Jesus is our Sabbath. Those who have the freedom in Christ to observe this can and do.
Can you prove that nobody lost count in all of that time? We've lost track of entire civilizations in that time frame, yet somehow you are sure that we didn't lose track of the day of week. How can you be so sure that Saturday is dead nuts on the Sabboth? (You can't)
Please excuse, the correct year from the change of Sabbath to Sunday worship, occurred on the year 321 A.D... Please refer to the article below:
There are many Protestants who were never told this. But, at one time the Lord’s entire Church was the Catholic Church.
In fact, in 314 A.D. Sylvester I was already the 33rd Bishop of Rome. Early Christians, including bishops, all looked to the Bishop of Rome as the successor to St Peter. The 7th Day Adventists are using semantics. It is true that Gregory I (the Great) established the papal system in the mid 7th century, but the Bishop of Rome already had the papal positional powers ever since Peter. The Bishop of Rome was also recognized by all early church Bishops as the successor to Peter.
In 583 AD the eastern Emperor Justinian issued his famous decree that made the Pope the legal “Head of all the Holy Churches”.
From 538 AD to 1798 AD, I think, the Roman Catholic Papal System was very confused, due to political and military situations in Europe and in the Middle east. This was the dark ages, when Rome called for the Crusades against the pagan Muslims, and later they used the Inquisition, etc., against anyone they viewed as an enemy of the Catholic Church. The Roman Empire fell in 476 AD (Caesar/Roman Empire).
Also consider these statements about Linus, the Pope (Bishop of Rome) who directly followed Peter:
The passage by Irenaeus (Adv. haereses, III, iii, 3) reads:
“After the Holy Apostles (Peter and Paul) had founded and set the Church in order (in Rome) they gave over the exercise of the episcopal office to Linus. The same Linus is mentioned by St. Paul in his Epistle to Timothy. His successor was Anacletus.”
Linus was also mentioned in II Timothy 4:21
Sunday is often spoken of as “the Christian Sabbath,” but this is not a technical description. Sunday is not a strict replacement for the Sabbath, but a day the Catholic Church (Early Church) instituted to fulfill a parallel function. Thus Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest Church Father to address this question, states that Christian converts “have given up keeping the Sabbath and now order their lives by the Lord’s Day instead, the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to him [Christ] and his death.” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 107]).
Yes it was the Catholic Bishop of Rome (later known as Pope) who officially changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday in Christendom after Constantine the Great’s 321 A.D. edict. Sylvester I (314-335 A.D.) was the Bishop of Rome during the reign of Constantine who gave his “stamp of approval” to the 321 Edict. Sylvester I did this because being in the office of the Bishop of Rome, with its positional authority. Thus, nodding his approval. This change from Saturday to Sunday was later confirmed at a council of Bishops at the Council of Laodicea (363 A.D.) said; “Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath”...meaning Saturday.
Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath: “If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews.”—quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.
Just as the Jews rejected Jesus, popular Christianity rejects the Sabbath at the heart of God’s Law, the 4th Commandment that God wrote with His finger on Mt. Sinai
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