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To: American Constitutionalist
" Sounds like Calvin admitted that God created evil "

Sounds, and " is " or " has " are 2 different things. Yes, it may sound to you works based Salvationers, but the bible is very very clear that GOD is not the one who temps a man.

An unfortunate choice of words. I should have said that Calvin claimed that God created evil and directs it. And then denies it. And then claims it. And then denies it...

I am not a works based Salvationer. I do however pay attention to the NT - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and James which all tell us that we can lose the salvation that Jesus brings to us.

191 posted on 03/01/2011 7:28:34 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
" I am not a works based Salvationer. I do however pay attention to the NT - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and James which all tell us that we can lose the salvation that Jesus brings to us. "


Then if you believe that, you make Jesus Christ a liar, for he said, that he will never leave us nor forsake us.

The bible also tells us that we are " sealed " with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.
( * Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. * )

( King James version : Ephesians 1:13: In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.)
(NIV " Ephesians 1:13 : And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit * )


Get this straight, and get this good ( I don't know what sort of Spirit you are ) but, the blood of Jesus Christ is HOLY ! and Powerful to save and keep those whom the father has saved and loved.

You profane with contempt and profess by claiming that someone can lose their Salvation, that you ? profane with contempt towards Jesus Christ and make the blood of Christ inferior, something that is polluted, defiled, contaminated, something that is as common as the blood of bulls and goats.

You ? are actually by your own words, saying that Salvation can be lost, that the blood of Christ has no effect to either save and keep those whom God loves.

You are actually putting in disregard and contempt the spirit of Grace, and saying that the Holy Spirit has no power to keep those whom the father has put his spirit upon, that is profaning the Holy Spirit.
197 posted on 03/01/2011 11:03:44 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: MarkBsnr

http://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_1026-27.htm


199 posted on 03/01/2011 4:02:51 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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