Posted on 02/27/2011 8:24:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Though many Christians are going to try to deny "the obvious," evangelical leader Dr. Albert Mohler believes gay marriage is going to become normalized.
"I think it's clear that something like same-sex marriage is going to become normalized, legalized and recognized in the culture. It's time for Christians to start thinking about how we're going to deal with that," he said Friday on the Focus on the Family radio program.
Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, was speaking in response to the Obama administration's decision this week to stop defending the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act – federal law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman – in the courts.
Conservative groups and Christians have criticized Obama for going against his duty as president to defend the law.
"When a president takes oath of office, he's upholding ... defending the laws of the United States of America," said Mohler, who also noted that DOMA had passed as a bipartisan effort.
"The White House has clearly made a calculation that it can do this now with far less political risk than it could even two years ago."
Though Obama has always expressed his desire to repeal DOMA, his personal view on marriage had been traditional.
While on the campaign trail, running as the Democratic presidential nominee, Obama asserted his belief that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. He added, while being interviewed by Pastor Rick Warren, that "for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. God's in the mix."
Recently, however, he has stated that his views on gay marriage are "evolving."
The Obama administration has been pro-gay since taking office two years ago and Mohler noted that there has been a long trajectory on the issue of gay marriage pointing to this day.
With the Justice Department now pulling its defense of DOMA, pending legal challenges against the federal law will likely result with the nullification of DOMA, Mohler predicted.
"You can say, the cards are pretty much stacked against DOMA," he illustrated.
He warned that when Christians feel threatened, they have to be careful not to lash out with a predictable response.
The Southern Baptist made it clear that he was not saying that they are giving up. Marriage is still an institution Christians need to save, particularly in their own community. But Christians also need to start learning how to deal with the shifting culture and even face the fact that they may lose a few from their flock.
"I think we're going to be surprised and heartbroken over how many people are going to capitulate to the spirit of the age," he noted. "We're going to find now that there may not be as many of us as we thought."
Nevertheless, Christians must be prepared to make marriage one of the many topics where parents have to have "the talk."
"It's interesting now that the world is so morally upside down that when we talk about marriage we have to make a distinction between natural marriage – heterosexual marriage – and this new thing that people are calling marriage," Mohler said.
"We have to prepare our children to be in a context in which they're going to be in a playground with children who have two dads or two moms or who knows what kind of combination will come."
Ultimately, the worldview or the belief that God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman only makes sense if one understands the Gospel, Mohler pointed out, which raises a critical point:
"This whole situation reminds us that we are, first of all, to be Gospel people who are fellow sinners ... saved by grace, with the responsibility to share the Gospel with others."
“Mohler is a mole”
Albert Mohler has been speaking out against the homosexual agenda for decades.....at times he needed bodyguards because of real threats from the homosexual community.
In the Southern Baptist Convention, Albert Mohler is probably the MOST conservative of the moral conservatives. Remember though, his primary focus is NOT politics but spreading the Gospel. He IS NOT saying that “normalization” of homosexuality is OK. He is saying that it, in reality, has already occured. Also, he states that SBC churches are going to lose members that have sold out to wordly values.
So, you really should be silent things you don’t know about.
“A Christian leader, of a seminary, folding. Pathetic.”
That isn’t even remotely what he said. You need to know the person, and then learn to read.
"The church is under attack as it never has been. But it will never fail; though Christian impostors in its ranks may. The homosexuals (not 'gay') may claim to get 'married,' but children don't have 'two mommies' or 'two daddies,' and this artificial construct will never be recognized by followers of Christ. They may arrest us, seize our property, and kill us for refusing to bow to the idol of Moloch; but we will never DEAL with the spirit of Antichrist."
I fully agree. Even Mohler capitulates to the language of Sodom, referring to "gay marriage," "two moms," "two dads," etc. It's more revealing than he knows that he has adopted this language because he has accepted much of it.
Napolitano was on fox news LOUDLY advocating pro-homosexual based marriage.
There is a reason he is no longer a judge.
or he is about to come out of the closet.
IOW he is just “gay”
Most protestant ministers will remarry (call it what you will) a couple, one or both of whom effectively HAVE been married before with few, if any questions. This used to NOT be the case. Similarly, most Catholic Churches will marry a couple when one or both of them truly HAVE been married before, forget the many loopholes that can be used to deem them to have "never really married in the first place." I'm sure this was once NOT the case as well.
Believe it or not, MOST protestant Churches also condemn, in principle if not in action, just like the Catholic Church, the profligate failures of those who degrade marriage and the lack of commitment that it is meant to be. You don't have to be so defensive about these failures, all the codified laws notwithstanding.
“No, here is what Mohler should have said in effect:”
Once again, until you know something about Dr. Albert Mohler and what he has stood against and for, and all the great things he has done.....you really aren’t qualified to be speaking for him. Secondly, I heard part of the Focus on the Family interview and most written accounts don’t accurately capture what was said.
I am one of those of FR that stands strongly against the homosexual agenda. Scan my past posts. I can tell you with complete cofidence that Dr. Albert Mohler, Jr. is as strong a conservative Christian Evangelical as they come. When he took over Southern Seminary in the early 90s, it was a liberal school that didn’t remotely reflect Southern Baptist views. He cleaned up that mess.
Promoting gay marriage doesn’t threaten Christianity.
Gay people are threatened even more than before by attempting to neuter the only salvation available to them.
Sexual perverts demanding churches not oppose them is akin to lepers encircling hospitals and demanding the medical staff stop accusing them of having a malady.
So to state that homosexual normalization is something that has already happened, something that we have to deal with, is pathetic capitulation. So is his unhesitant use of the the language of the sodomites.
I don’t CARE what Dr. Mohler has stood for and against and what he’s done in the past. What I’m addressing are his words NOW. What he has said is inexcusable for a Christian to utter.
Christian marriage has been illegal in the US for 40+ years.
The only legal form of marriage now might be called “gay marriage for straights”.
The latest is just the logical outcome of legal contraception, no-fault divorce and decriminalized adultery.
Where was the church when that was happening?
“Even Mohler capitulates to the language of Sodom, referring to “gay marriage,” “two moms,” “two dads,””
Mohler NEVER used the term “gay marriage.” The WRITER of the article did. At worst Mohler called it “same sex.” IN NO WAY did he endorse homosexual behavior or unions....he simply said that our culture has done so and we need to be prepared for it....and he DOESN’T MEAN ACCEPTING IT. He is quite clear that standing against homosexualization is going to cost congregations members because they HAVE bought into the world’s view.
LEARN HOW TO READ! Also, stop LIBELING a GODLY man because you are too obtuse to read.
Albert Mohler has done more to keep the Southern Baptist Convention from sliding into Sodom than most. As I previously mentioned, he cleaned up Southern Baptist Seminary where it is now the MOST conservative of all Southern Baptist seminaries. He is an exceptional Christian man of impeccable past actions and deeds.
It is time to zot you. Moderator...this person keeps denigrating Professor Albert Mohler, Jr. based upon a poor reading of an article. While disagreeing with someone’s position is proper....to create a “strawman” position that doesn’t represent that person’s views is just plain wrong. He really needs to be told to get his facts straight before libeling a fine Christian gentleman over things he did not say.
Lev 18:27-30
(27) (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
(28) That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
(29) For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
(30) Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
IMHO, I find it graceful of God to allow so many homosexual communities to have been attracted and established on major faultlines throughout the US.
I'm not going to 'try' to deny anything. I'm going to do it. Sodomy is against Scripture and I don't care what piece of paper the government may decide to give.
It is NOT marriage. Pure and simple. End of story.
DOMA or no DOMA, marriage is an issue for the states to decide and not the federal government. And my state has decided in no uncertain terms that marriage is between a man and a woman and incorporated that into our Constitution. I don’t expect that to change, regardless of what places like California or Massachusetts do.
IMHO, most homosexuals lack the ability to remain devoted to even one partner for more than several years, so the homosexual marriage thing really isn’t about marriage, but it is likely associated with the tax codes.
They seek approbation for their perversions and the lack of marital status bites them at tax time for not being able to file jointly, so I have no doubt people who are addicted to a cosmic system of living, seeking to make a better world from their spiritually blind perspective, will indeed seek to be accepted without changing their sin.
They will not stop there, but will then further degenerate into insisting anything God provides is also removed from their access and the access of their fellow man.
It also sets the stage for the AntiChrist, who has no natural affection for women.
I stand corrected, "same-sex." Yeah, that makes it a whole lot better, doesn't it?:
"I think it's clear that something like same-sex marriage is going to become normalized, legalized and recognized in the culture."
If the writer of the article was at fault, he needs to lose his job for misquoting Mohler. Otherwise, I'll have to assume that this was an accurate quote until proven otherwise.
Also:
"We have to prepare our children to be in a context in which they're going to be in a playground with children who have two dads or two moms or who knows what kind of combination will come."
When one capitulates to the language of the enemy, then he denigrates himself, he needs no help from me. If this article, from a Christian source, mind you, is misquoting him, then they need to be held accountable. Until then, I will critique what is said on face value. I am in no way denigrating Dr. Mohler for his past accomplishments and his conservative stances - he truly has been a bastion of conservative, Christian values throughout the years, and I'm very familiar with him, coming from a Southern Baptist background myself. Which makes it all the more gut-wrenching when I hear such a champion of true Christianity speak in such terms. He should know better.
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