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Protestant scholars and theologians will study and debate the meaning of Scripture.. Catholics scholars and theologians study and debate the church Fathers and tradition

The fact is Catholics can say tradition is not a "present thing" ..but the interpretation of it is

The best example is of course the immaculate conception and the assumption ...centuries went by without them being seen as a TRUTH

So tomorrow the magisterium could discover another tradition that has always been there but never discovered and call it doctrine..

That is the problem with basing your faith on the tradition men dig up.. they are truly the traditions of men..

52 posted on 02/10/2011 8:20:54 AM PST by RnMomof7
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When the Holy Spirit inspired the roles for the NT church.. there is no priest, no pope, no confessional. no mass, and no prayers for the dead

I think we covered this, already. If you're looking for the English words "priest", "Pope" or "confessional" (and you do remember what I said about confessionals being an optional structure? Confessions can be heard anywhere, if there's need), then I really don't know what to tell you, aside from wondering why you'd expect them. The approach of "if I don't see the English word in my English Bible, I won't believe it", isn't the best way to discern truth from error... especially since the Bible wasn't written in English.

quoting the roles in the jewish temple or Jewish practices does not "help your cause."

Well... since you're insisting on the "if it isn't in the Bible, don't believe it" standard, isn't it fair for me to ask you to show me where, in the Bible (book, chapter and verse), it says that every last "Jewish practice" (such as honouring your father and mother, refraining from murder, etc.) is now eliminated? Obviously, some of them were eliminated (such as kosher dietary laws), and some were not (such as the Ten Commandments). Can you tell me how (from Scripture alone) you arrive at an itemized list of which are still "binding"?

We are under a new and everlasting covenant..

Of course.

Those OT points to Christ.. and He fulfilled it..

Of course. But "fulfilled" doesn't translate as "threw everything even remotely resembling it into the dust-bin"!

No where do you read anywhere in the NT that the NT church had priests or a pope..

Here's the same problem: you seem to be looking for the words "priest" and "pope", and--not finding them--you assume that they don't exist. Are you familiar with the origin of the word "Pope", for example? It comes from the Greek word "Pappas", meaning "Father" (and you may already know that Catholics address the Pope as "Holy Father"). The Pope is the successor of St. Peter (Pope Benedict XVI is the 265th pope, in unbroken succession, from St. Peter), and the Bishop of Rome; he is the "prime minister" (Hebrew: "al-bayyit" = "over the household") of the King of Kings. Compare the texts of Isaiah 22 and Matthew 18, and see if you can notice a parallel. The word "Pope" is a convenience (albeit one laden with deep meaning); if you changed his title, his office and authority would still be the same.

My earlier question stands, as well: do you (personally) believe in the Trinity (i.e. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit = One God)? If so, do you have a problem with the fact that the word "Trinity" is nowhere to be found in Scripture?

The Roman church is NOT the NT church as the apostles and disciples outlined it

You'll have to explain your reasoning for saying so, before I could answer further on that point.

Greg Dues has written Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide (New London: Twenty Third Publications, 2007).

Er... that's interesting, to be sure... but how, exactly, do you judge him to be an incontrovertible authority on all things Catholic? If you want to know what the Church says about Herself, wouldn't it be more logical to go to the Catechism, or to official documents, rather than a random author with no particular pedigree?


54 posted on 02/10/2011 11:38:33 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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