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To: RnMomof7
Er... I hate to be so pointed, but: ever hear of something known as a "straw man fallacy"?

RB..tradition trumps scripture in the Roman church ... Those who respect logical discourse research their topic before making accusations. Might you be persuaded to do the same?

Scripture has no priesthood,

(??) Are you kidding me? Remember Melchizedek (priest of the Most High God, Genesis 14), Aaron (high priest, too many references to count--see Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, etc.), Zechariah (to whom Gabriel announced the pending birth of St. John the Baptist), and Jesus, Himself (the eternal High Priest)?

no pope

See Isaiah 22:15-25--especially Isaiah 22:21-23--and compare it to Matthew 16:18-20; then we'll talk. Unless you mean that the word "Pope" isn't there? Nor is the word "Trinity"; do you reject that?

no mass

No? Have you not read 1 Corinthians 11:23-30? Or the accounts of the Last Supper? Or Acts 2:42? Or is this another "I don't see the word 'Mass' anywhere" type of objections?

no confessionals

Horribilis dictu! You might also be interested to know that confessionals aren't mandatory; they're built for privacy and convenience. Or did you mean to object to "Confession" (as a Sacrament)?

no statures

(I assume you mean "statues"?) Do the bronze serpent (Numbers 21), the sculptures of trees and such in the Temple of the Lord (1 Kings 6, Ezekiel 41, etc.), or the cherubim statues upon the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:18-20) not qualify, for you? I wonder at your problem with them, anyway...

no purgatory

Is this a "missing word" objection, or a "concept" objection? If the latter, see below.

no prayers to or for the dead

No? Have you not read 2 Maccabees 12:40-46?

no assumption,

No? You have an objection to the idea that Enoch and Elijah "walked with God" without dying? Why would you make a fuss about it regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary?

The Roman church has added so much tradition that its foundation now rests on it

All right; you've now stated your personal opinion. If you could work a proof of any of it into future posts, that'd help your case, I think.
13 posted on 02/09/2011 2:06:47 PM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan; RnMomof7

Have you not read that RnMomof7 is not the author of the piece? Care to argue your points with the author?

If others happen to agree that’s one thing. But your post seems to ascribe the authorship to RM7.

Hoss


31 posted on 02/09/2011 5:56:59 PM PST by HossB86
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To: paladinan
When the Holy Spirit inspired the roles for the NT church.. there is no priest, no pope, no confessional. no mass, and no prayers for the dead.. quoting the roles in the jewish temple or Jewish practices does not "help " your cause." .

We are under a new and everlasting covenant..

Those OT points to Christ.. and He fulfilled it..

No where do you read anywhere in the NT that the NT church had priests or a pope..

The Roman church is NOT the NT church as the apostles and disciples outlined it

Greg Dues has written Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide (New London: Twenty Third Publications, 2007). On page 166 he states,

"Priesthood as we know it in the Catholic church was unheard of during the first generation of Christianity, because at that time priesthood was still associated with animal sacrifices in both the Jewish and pagan religions."

"A clearly defined local leadership in the form of elders, or presbyteroi, became still more important when the original apostles and disciples of Jesus died. The chief elder in each community was often called the episkopos (Greek, 'overseer'). In English this came to be translated as 'bishop' (Latin, episcopus). Ordinarily he presided over the community's Eucharistic assembly."

"When the Eucharist came to be regarded as a sacrifice, the role of the bishop took on a priestly dimension. By the third century bishops were considered priests. Presbyters or elders sometimes substituted for the bishop at the Eucharist. By the end of the third century people all over were using the title 'priest' (hierus in Greek and sacerdos in Latin) for whoever presided at the Eucharist."

50 posted on 02/10/2011 7:41:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
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