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To: Iscool
And what was handed down orally was written down as the basis for the CCC. As in other earlier writings, not everything is tied to scripture verses and direct quotes exactly because it is much older than the writings that make up the Bible and there were not chapters and verses until much, much, later. That's why the early fathers usually say, "Thus it is written ...", or "... the holy word saith ..." rather than making exact direct quotes complete with a reference. Likewise, what Apostles passed down was most often attributed to them as a group with, " ... the Apostles taught us ...", that sort of thing. Given the circumstances, I'm sure that save for what was written by each one individually the chain of who in particular said what was long gone by the time the Bible was put together. Naturally, then, it would be gathered together and written down. When there was no way to be sure which Apostle said a particular thing, it was written without attribution other than reference to something that was saved and included in the Scripture or with something like, "as were were instructed".

No matter what anyone tells you, CCC was not spun from whole cloth to suit someone in particular, but was carefully gathered up from the oral tradition passed down by the Apostles. It is exactly what you asked for, the oral tradition written down.

There are available speakers who go paragraph by paragraph and disagree with parts, but I have found that when pursued beyond taking the speakers own word, you find the speaker is himself misinterpreting a paragraph due to what he may have been told or understood. If you follow through and read the Scripture that supports various paragraphs, seven eighths of what Catholics are accused of vanishes. I did not start my journey with Catholic writings and I assure you I never planned on agreeing with and reconciling with the Catholic Church. It is, however, the Church Christ established and it is hard for me to, "... kick against the goads" (NKJV, pricks in KJV).

I have studied for many years to reach the point I'm at now and I have talked to many people who argue by rote and when that is insufficient become emotionally involved. I am surprised to find, however, that such an approach and such a reaction are the norm here. Cutting and dismissive quips, or statements clearly not in keeping with His command to be as harmless as doves are the normal responses around here. To date, I see far more people concerned with the reaction of cheerleaders than with the risk of turning others away from Christ with their responses. It is absolutely amazing to see so many people leaping with joy at their own ability to feed their own ego and display their own cleverness while no doubt calling that "witnessing" or "defending the faith". I am well aware that the vast majority of Protestants of all denominations are earnest in their faith, but I was unaware until recently how many put their own pride far above the Word they claim to cherish.

Rather than give in to the urge to be angry with such reactions, I try to take folks at their word and so you must be sincere in wanting to spread what you see as the Truth, so I will pray that you find some better way to deal with those who are seeking it. May God have mercy on the lot of you.

have a nice day

181 posted on 02/10/2011 8:06:11 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Rashputin
The reason Catholics hold to Tradition and Oral authority is to support Marianism. In 1854 Pope Pius IX gave All Salvation, All Grace and All healing to Mary. He also proclaimed her immaculate conception (not that of the Lord Jesus Christ). Pope Pius XII in 1950 proclaimed her Bodily Assumption (without sin into heaven).

Thus you need Tradition to support the takeover of Salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ to Mary and worship her.

After all, that was what the Rosary Beads signified.

Your choice is simple, Continue in the Catholic Church and Worship Mary as your Savior or follow the Lord Jesus Christ. It is that simple.

182 posted on 02/10/2011 8:49:37 AM PST by sr4402
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