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To: conservativegramma
"Regarding the #841 Catechism, I’ve never had a response whenever I post that one. Wonder why????"

It would be a lie to state that no Catholic has ever responded or defended that portion of the Catechism. I would also be a lie to leave CCC - 841 stand alone out of the context in which it was presented. To imply that Muslims are somehow a special group of non-Catholics denies the chronological presentation of the discussion:

CCC - 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .

CCC - 843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

CCC - 844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.

CCC - 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

Now what specifically of the following three sections do you disagree with or deny?

996 posted on 02/12/2011 6:09:50 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Natural Law
LOL. Post 996 Helps the RCC's case exactly how? (Hint: It proves my case and makes the RCC look even worse!)

Look it from your own post:

CCC-842 - "The Church's bond with non-Christian religions...... You have no problem with that? Enough said about the corrupted state of the RCC.

John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father, but by ME - Christ's own words

Jesus didn't say the way is through Budda, Hare Krishna, Allah, Zeus, Or Joseph Smith. He said it was only through Him. The attempted rebuttal using these reprehensible catechisms is yet more hogwash, totally separated of the true faith, and darn right blasphemous. A few centuries ago a 'Pope' who wrote this nonsense would have been burned as a heretic.

CCC - 843 - ...the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions.... Now 'the church' has completely jumped the shark. "Goodness in all religions" - please. "Truth in all religions" - double please. Now 'the church' has even parted company from the Apostles!

Galatians 1:9 (Paul) - As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

2 John (John) 9-11 -Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

CCC - 845 The Church is "the world reconciled."

Blasphemy. 'The Church' doesn't reconcile anyone regarding salvation or 'the world' - CHRIST DOES!

Romans 5:10 - For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Colossians 1:20 - and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Colossians 1:22 - yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--

And don't give me any, "But the church represents Christ" nonsense. A TRUE church would never USURP His power, PURPOSE, or GLORY.

This section of 845 is even worse - According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

Unbelievable. 'The Church' is now proclaiming to be the agent of salvation. More USURPATION of Christ's Power, Glory, and Authority.

Spinning the above, not being able to recognize the BLASPHEMY in the above tells me all I need to know about the condition of members of the RCC! (Hint: And its not positive).

997 posted on 02/12/2011 7:24:48 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: Natural Law

Context? Really?

Just made your case worse. But really—it’s not like you had any other choice.

Hoss


1,010 posted on 02/13/2011 6:17:36 AM PST by HossB86
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