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To: topcat54
"I’m sure that all makes perfect sense to one unschooled in NT theology. But it is not the theology of Jesus, Peter, and Paul."

Then tell me what Jesus Peter and Paul would say about the following passages.

Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. Zec 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Lev 26:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. Lev 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I [am] the LORD their God. Lev 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.

27 posted on 02/08/2011 10:20:55 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Zech 12:9-11...

That is a picture of the true Jerusalem...the Church.

Zechariah goes on in 13:1 to explicly prophesy about the cleansing from sin and impurity i.e. Christ's death.

The New Testament makes clear that God's people (those with faith...the church in the new age) are the fulfillment of Israel...thus the language of Israel used here. Some Jews were included but not all. The Church is the true Israel.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 10:38:44 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: DannyTN
Then tell me what Jesus Peter and Paul would say about the following passages.

They would say, look to Jesus Christ (Luke 24:27). It’s not about land, and it’s not about politics. It’s about Christ; the true Israel of God and the true Temple of God. All that old covenant stuff were just types of Christ. If you don’t get that then you don’t understand the Bible.

And the people of God today are counted among that same temple and holy nation.

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (1 Cor. 3:17)

And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." (2 Cor. 6:16)

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; (1 Peter 2:9)

Don’t be trapped by the same errors that trapped the first century Jewish leadership into denying the Messiahship of Jesus Christ. They were looking for the same “land reclamation” solution as modern day futurists. Their Israel was entirely carnal, thinking Rome was their enemy. They wanted carnal redemption. They missed the boat, and were punished in their unbelief.

I’m sorry to say that anyone who reads the OT prophets and does not see Jesus Christ is reading them carnally.

30 posted on 02/08/2011 10:42:00 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: DannyTN
The Levitical passage is a warning first given during the Exodus about what would happen if Old Testament Israel broke its allegiance. The would be cast out. They indeed were cast out in 586 B.C.

The passage then speaks of repentance...if they repented they would be brought back. They did repent and God brought them back in 536 B.C.

Each passage needs to be taken in context. Some are Messianic prophecies...some are prophecies which were fulfilled in history.

31 posted on 02/08/2011 10:43:58 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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