A God of Miracles (Real Mormon/LDS)

LDS.org ^ | Sister Sydney S. Reynolds

[Elsie]

We have the http://www.eiteljorg.org/ here in my hometown.

 

After all, this IS Indianapolis, Indiana!

[Elsie]

Elsie, do you recall the image I posted from Lindsey’s page?

Was that the wide, low waterfalls with all the greenery?

[Elsie]

Weird they were gone just five minutes ago, I refreshed the page and they were back, with in minutes of your post.

As they say in the business:

'Tronics is the work of the DEVIL!

[Paragon Defender]

At least the others knew when they were beat..

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lol not so much. Do you really believe that? Don’t bother answering. I believe you do. Too much.

Have a great day!

[greyfoxx39]

Well, it may be a coincidence..the mormons are hard at work trying to scrub their history on the internet.

Changes To LDS Scripture Headings & Footnotes

Many of you have recognized the new LDS.org website.  Some of you have recognized that with the new site also came changes to chapter headings and footnotes in the scriptures.  Not nearly is significant in number as the changes that were made in the 1981 edition of the LDS scriptures, but equally confirming on the messages being conveyed.  Here are a list of the changes that I’m aware of, along with some thoughts and two very compelling short videos below.  I’d love to hear your thoughts as you prayerfully review the changes asking “what would the Lord have me understand about these recent changes?”

1. 1 Nephi 12:23- The footnotes for “dark” have been removed (Jacob 3:3 and Alma 3:7 (6-19)) and replaced with 2 Nephi 26:33
2. 2 Nephi 5- the words in the chapter heading “the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness” were changed to “the Lamanites are cut off from the presence of the Lord, are cursed,”
3. 2 Nephi 5:21- The footnotes for “curse” (2 Nephi 1:17 and Alma 3:6 (6-19)) were removed and replaced with “TG Curse”.
4. 2 Nephi 5:21- The word “blackness” has a new footnote which is 2 Ne. 26:33.
5. Alma 3:6- The footnotes for “curse” have been changed from 1 Ne. 2:23 and 2 Ne. 5:21(21-24) to 2 Nephi 5:21; 26:33.
6. Mormon 5 Chapter heading removes “The Lamanites shall be a dark, filthy and loathsome people” and replaces it with “Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites will be scattered, and the Spirit will cease to strive with them“
7. Mormon 5:15- The footnotes for “become” no longer reference 1 Ne. 2:23 and Alma 3:19(16-19) but are replaced by 2 Nephi 26:33
8. Moses 7:8,22- The words “blackness” and “black” both get new footnotes which lead to 2 Nephi 26:33.

From prayerfully studying the scriptures laid out in the Blacks in the Scriptures DVD series and the talk on “How To Reach African Americans” we understand that a curse is a separation from God because of sin, including the loss of the spirit, a diming of the light of Christ within, a separation from His path and ways thereof (see 1 Nephi 2:23 then follow footnote for curse to Job 24:13)

We also understand that the skin being spoken of in reference to “black” or “white” is referring to the state of the spirit and not a literal or physical skin color change.  There are some that are still in the process of gaining a testimony of these gospel principles.  I think that these recent changes should aid in this process.  Notice that the changes in the chapter headings of 2 Nephi 5 and Mormon 5 get the reader so much closer to understanding the “curse”  as a “separation” than does the earlier language.

Secondly, notice all of the redirecting, in addition to new footnotes pointing us to 2 Nephi 26:33.  This is significant because as we’ve studied all of the scriptures laid out in the attached scripture reference guide for “black” and “white”, by the time we get to 2 Nephi 26:33, we understand that Joseph Smith could have easily translated the word “black” as “wicked” meaning the spiritually dark, as well as the word “white” as “righteous”, referring to the state of the spiritually pure and clean.  Well I say he could have easily translated it as such and he actually did.  See Alma 11:44.  You’d think you’re reading the exact same passage, but this time you see the wicked and the righteous, in place of black and white.

It's mind-boggling the way this author just accepts and approves of the way the mormon church is revising the past racist church history.

[svcw]

It does boggle the mind, that blacks especially can accept the changes. Yet aren't we told by lds that it is the Bible that has changed oh so many times.

[SZonian]

But, but, but,...the BoM is the most correct book on earth!!! A man is supposed to be able to get nearer to God by reading it! At least that’s the sales pitch...

Do these changes push the total number of changes over 5,000 now for the “MOST CORRECT” book?

What’s really sad, is what you posited, that the blacks are accepting the SLC story that the skin color is a reference to spirituality. They’re not the least bit suspicious about this? No, because this apologist is setting it up for them by lying about it to prospects and converts.

It is quite clear what those vermin [Smith, Young et.al] in SLC’s ivory towers said in the early days, that history cannot be scrubbed. They were racists to the core.

So how does the word “negro” describe a state of spirituality”? How does the word “colored” describe a state of spirituality?

Feckless false prophets in SLC. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[ejonesie22]

Not a matter of believing anything, fact is fact.

Day in and day our Morg apologist tried to defend the scam on these very boards, and the only ones truly agreeing with their “success” were the other Morg. Of course with the facts working in our favor we had a few pickups for our side among the thinking folk mired in the mental abyss of MormonISM, including one on this very thread who is eating your lunch here is realityville.

You can sit there with your fingers in your ears saying “I'm right, I believe it and you are wrong” all day long, you can claim bogus “proof” and twisted realities to you are blue in the face, but when 2+2 has been proven mathematical through demonstration multiple times to equal 4, continuing to say it equals 5 because of a “burning bosom” or non existent “additional revelation” or saying it is not a “simple yes or no answer”, well that's just crazy talk, and a group doing, well, that's a cult...

Fortunately the real God is a God of reason as well as faith, so escaping Mormonism is only a matter of using the gift of ones mind as well as ones spirit...

[Utah Binger]

We are very aware of the Eiteljorg folks.

Do you have an inside high up contact? I need to come and make a proposal to them in the next year.

[Paragon Defender]

Fortunately the real God is a God of reason as well as faith, so escaping Anti-Mormonism is only a matter of using the gift of ones mind as well as ones spirit...

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I made the above factual for you. You are welcome.

Have a great day!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Spammy placemarker in your honor...

[ejonesie22]

I know I know and 2+2 is 5...

Thanks again for proving the Truth that exists in reality... And that it has nothing to do with your postings...*

[svcw]

place marker

[Paragon Defender]

I know I know and 2+2 is 5...

Thanks again for proving the Truth that exists in reality... And that it has nothing to do with your postings...*

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The sentiment is quite mutual.

Have a great day!

[ejonesie22]

Um the feelings maybe mutual but the facts...Saying they are on my side is like saying water is wet...

[Elsie]

 

 

Well, it may be a coincidence..the mormons are hard at work trying to scrub their history on the internet.

 

What?  the apostate MORMONs are WHITEWASHING their BLACK history?

 

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young - President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

[Elsie]

It does boggle the mind, that blacks especially can accept the changes.

Why?

Look how DECEIVED whites are by MORMONism!

[Elsie]

 

 

 

 

 

Where are them delightsome ladies at?

 

[Elsie]

Do you have an inside high up contact?

Shirley; you are making me laugh again!

I am just a lowly goat farmer - out in the hinterlands...

[Elsie]

Have a great day!

How's yer MEAT eatin' goin'?