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To: smvoice

Just so that we are clear where the disagreement exists,

Let’s sort through everything he said.

1, Christ is the way of salvation. Yes, absolutely.
2, He is present to us in his body, the Church. Yes.
3, He himself asserted necessity of faith and baptism. Yes.

4, He affirmed the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism, as the door.

No. Absolutely not. Sorry. John the Baptist was Baptizing before the Church was created by Christ. Those who are not Christian, can, in an emergency, baptize.

Christ chose to create the Church, in order that the Word would be spread throughout the world. He also promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against the church.

Do I believe that there is one true church? Yes, this is why I am Catholic. I believe that the Catholic church is the Church that Christ founded.

Do I believe that God cannot save without the Church? No. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Christ even says to the disciples,

In fact, Christ even says, in Mark 9:38-41

“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.


162 posted on 02/09/2011 9:43:09 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: BenKenobi; armydoc

You say you are a Catholic, and you go to communion with the Eastern Orthodox, and now you are winging it with scripture against Catholic dogma. An amazing contradictory mix in one person.

I now seriously doubt that you are even a Catholic. I don’t think you even know what you are.


165 posted on 02/09/2011 9:50:44 AM PST by verdugo
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