Posted on 02/06/2011 9:11:33 PM PST by JudaicChristian
It’d take me all night to read that writing you posted.
True, but at least they posted it all. Most people who come here trying to drive traffic to their blogs will only post teasing excerpts.
Here is the main problem with any discussion of the trinity based on what is actually written in the old and new testaments: It is the equivalent of trying to explain “red” to people who only see in gray scale. Even so, it does a remarkably good job of getting the point across.
BTW, to a lesser degree this happened to me with the rapture stuff. When I first became Christ’s, I went to a church that included the pre-tribulation rapture as part of it’s beliefs. After years of study I became a “mid-tribulationist”, more accurately called “post-trib, pre-wrath”.
A good friend of mine made an interesting comment to me about how Christians study the bible. It goes something like this: For the first few years you study to learn and solidify your understanding, faith and beliefs. For the rest of your life your goal in study is to justify those beliefs. That is why it is very difficult to discuss some of these “non-bullet-doctrines” with people who have been Christians for many years. They believe what they believe and have made up their minds long ago. We all do it to some degree, I am sure.
I came across it in its strongest form when arguing against those who believe Mary was perfect as Jesus and died a virgin. They ignore scripture and use the “appeal to authority” argumentum style (old, wise guys said it so it must be true).
I do have questions about the Trinity but it is one of the things I defer to this scripture:
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
This seems rather... scatter brained (and thus hard to follow).
State the hypothesis, prove the hypothesis, summarize the result.
Tell them, tell them what you told them, then tell them again.
The problem with the arian heresy is that if Jesus were just a man then what you have as the central mystery of christianity is a human sacrifice. a human sacrifice is no better than a chicken or a pig when it comes to atoning for sins.
pinging a few — I don’t think this article adequately describes all non-Trinitarian positions.
John chapter 1.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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The Word became flesh
Can anybody summary.
My guess is that it is one of those...”i can’t make up my mind whether I’m Chritian or Jew...so I’m hedging” deals.
The problem with the arian heresy is that the Bible clearly teaches that God is one; that the Father is God; that the Son is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.
We can deny none of the above.
Christians are therefore trinitarian, and that is why, for one example, Jesus told us to baptize believers in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
A monotheistic god has not the pre-conditions necessary to create the combination of unity and diversity which characterizes all of life around us. If god is singular then were did the diversity come from? If god is polytheistic, where did the unity come from? God is one God, three persons and nature all around you reflects that truth.
Exactly.
Non-Jews are bidden to obey the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.
The laws prohibit (1) idolatry, (2) blasphemy, (3) homicide, (4) forbidden sexual relations, (5) robbery, and (6) eating meat that was taken from a still-living animal (cruelty to animals), and require (7) establishment of courts of justice. The precepts included in these commandments provide the guidelines for truly moral behavior, as the Divine Code that is the foundation of all true morality.
John 15:26 26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
2 Corinthians 13:14 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.”
We refer to God as Triune because he reveals himself as three persons yet one God. The truth is impossible to understand or explain but we believe because it is in His word. God Bless
Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,... The words “Let us” is not scriptural. John 15:26 26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. ///26 “When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who proceeds from {the Father—He will testify about Me.} (He the Father is the Spirit of Truth.)
Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (falsifide scripture)
2 Corinthians 13:14 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (Holy Spirit is a name title for Yahwah)
Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: {The LORD (Yahwah)} our God, {the LORD (Yahwah)} is {one (only)}.
John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.” (One in unity)
Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,... The words “Let us” is not scriptural. John 15:26 26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. ///26 “When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who proceeds from {the Father—He will testify about Me.} (He the Father is the Spirit of Truth.)
Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (falsifide scripture)
2 Corinthians 13:14 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (Holy Spirit is a name title for Yahwah)
Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: {The LORD (Yahwah)} our God, {the LORD (Yahwah)} is {one (only)}.
John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.” (One in unity)
(i can’t make up my mind whether I’m Christian or Jew...so I’m hedging)
“Exactly.”
Funny. Most people don’t look to hedgers for instruction. Besides the Resurrection has people looking to the New Covenant.
>> Orthodox Judaism has always known about Trinitarianism. The only Jews who believed in Trinitarianism were Pagans, Mystics, Hellenist, and Kabbalist. <<
Orthodox Jews don’t believe in the divinity of Christ? Shocking!
John 17:
[11] And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
[22] The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
That they may all become God??????
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