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[I’ve already pointed out to our FRiend blasater1960 that RJR’s words were taken out of context. No response yet.]

Sorry Topcat, I have meant to reply but there was a Sabbath and Football game. I found your post interesting but it did not completely answer the question of whether or not he was taken out of context. Do you have his works? I would like to read that whole section. I dont want to spend 26 bucks on his book.

This Christian guy, Carl Trueman, has many posts on this blog Rushdoony about Rushdoony being as Holocaust revisionist and a racist. So, I dont know why this guy would lie about Rushdoony being a fellow Calvinist and all?

Also, attributed to Rushdoony was the remark that Jews revising the Holocaust numbers up, was a false witness against the Germans and worse than what the Germans did to the Jews.

But that’s not the worst of it. According to the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals, holocaust denial was the worst thing about Rushdoony.

The false witness born during World War II with respect to Germany is especially notable and revealing. The charge is repeatedly made that six million innocent Jews were slain by the Nazis, and the figure – and even larger figures – is now entrenched in the history books. Poncins, in summarizing the studies of the French Socialist, Paul Rassinier, himself a prisoner in Buchenwald, states: ‘Rassinier reached the conclusion that the number of Jews who died after deportation is approximately 1,200,000 and this figure, he tells us, has finally been accepted as valid by the Centre Mondial de Documentation Juive Contemporaine. Likewise he notes that Paul Hilberg, in his study of the same problem, reached a total of 896,292 victims. Very many of these people died of epidemics; many were executed’… Did the Nazis actually execute many thousands, tens, or hundred thousands of Jews? Men to whom such murders were nothing had to blow up the figure to millions. Did the doctor perform a number of experiments on living men and women? A few sterilized women and a few castrated men and their horrified tears and grief are not enough to stir the sick and jaded tastes of modern man: make him guilty of performing 17,000 such operations. The evils were all too real: even greater is the evil of bearing false witness concerning them, because that false witness will produce an even more vicious reality in the next upheaval. Men are now ‘reconciled’ to a world where millions are murdered, or are said to be murdered. What will be required in the way of action and propaganda next time?

In other words, insisting that 6 million Jews were killed by Nazis is worse than what the Nazis actually did!

So, this sounds like an internal Christian battle to me. Did Rushdoony say the above? If he did, he is a lothesome anti-semite.

There is nothing inherently anti-semitic about the notion that God’s judged ancient Israel for their sin against God’s prophets and “the son of the landowner.” That what Jesus told them would happen if they did not repent (like Jonah and Nineveh).

You are right, there is nothing anti-semitic about the notion of G-d Judging Israel. However, G-d NEVER gave the nations the go-ahead to slaughter the Jews or engage in genocide and mass murder. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Holocaust are all examples of the nations going way beyond what G-d has decreed for punishment. The nations will be judged harshly for this during the messianic era.

Regarding your parable. It is severely flawed in it's premise and meaning.

And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country.

First, G-d doesnt "lease" to the Jews the law and prophets and then go away. G-d is always present. G-d has no "physical son". David, Solomon and Israel are all called G-ds son, or first born.

38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.'

G-d has given the vindressers (Jews) an everlasting covenant and G-d will NEVER taken away this covenant or "vineyard", therefore this is a false premise. Jesus even admited that the authority rested in the Pharisees.

Matt23: 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

They said to Him, "He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons. 43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."

Again, this a false. No where in scripture does G-d turn over his covenant to non-Jews. The Jews will be punished, return to the Land, rebuild the temple, re-institute sin sacrifices and the gentiles will come to Jerusalem to learn of the law. No nation will EVER replace Israel. (Isaiah 2:3, Ezek 44, Jer 16:19 etc).

Does God Divorce Israel? Israel divorced? NO!

91 posted on 02/07/2011 11:33:31 AM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
I dont want to spend 26 bucks on his book.

That may be the price for truth. Have a nice day.

93 posted on 02/07/2011 11:38:54 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: blasater1960
You are right, there is nothing anti-semitic about the notion of G-d Judging Israel. However, G-d NEVER gave the nations the go-ahead to slaughter the Jews or engage in genocide and mass murder. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Holocaust are all examples of the nations going way beyond what G-d has decreed for punishment. The nations will be judged harshly for this during the messianic era.

For the record, I believe RJR was of the opinion that God’s judgment against national Israel was limited in time and space to first century Jerusalem circa AD70. The Crusades, the Inquisition, etc didn’t factor into revealed divine judgment. They were human atrocities. Even if he were to suggest that the numbers are not as what is generally accepted, he makes his feelings for the atrocity of the Holocaust quite apparent.

Regarding your parable. It is severely flawed in it's premise and meaning.

That the gospel parable, not my own. As is what you find objectionable in most of the rest of your comments.

98 posted on 02/07/2011 11:59:21 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: blasater1960
You may find this interesting. Rushdoony and the Holocaust

Conclusion:

There is much to be gained in the example of Rushdoony-- both in his achievements and failings. But we'll have to do better than Carl Trueman to appreciate either.

103 posted on 02/07/2011 12:21:40 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: blasater1960
This Christian guy, Carl Trueman, has many posts on this blog Rushdoony about Rushdoony being as Holocaust revisionist and a racist. So, I dont know why this guy would lie about Rushdoony being a fellow Calvinist and all?

It’s probably safe to say that Trueman never contacted Rushdoony for clarification. Granted Rush died in 2001 before Trueman made him a issue on his blog, but the language used in IBL had been around for decades, long enough to get clarification directly from the author. If anyone cared.

117 posted on 02/07/2011 2:09:16 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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