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To: hope_dies_last; CynicalBear
Anybody who hates Jews is NOT a Christian and is seriously an apostate.

I'm with you on the points you are both making. However, let me seek to clarify something. It seems some Dispensationalists don't think Christians should witness to Jews. Isn't this going to an extreme in the other direction?

Until Jesus Christ returns any Jew that dies without believing The Gospel will be condemned, so if we truly love the Jews isn't it our duty to preach The Gospel to them?

25 posted on 02/05/2011 8:46:00 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Of course it is our duty to preach The Gospel to them.

God says those WHO SEEK HIM SHALL find HIM.

I don’t believe He is limited in his capacity to insure that.

It would not rock my theology if God allowed Christ to present Himself at the point of death to ‘pickininnies’ in Africa or Observant Jews at their point of death. I wouldn’t make that a doctrine, just a statement of ONE way God could match the above Scripture with NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST.

Certainly that’s NOT an option ANYONE SHOULD COUNT on.

ETERNITY IN THEIR HEARTS

as well as

SAMUEL MORRIS, THE MARCH OF FAITH

both describe plenty of examples of God reaching out and SAVING PEOPLE unconventionally.

It is not wise to pretend we can package God in tiny tidy little boxes.

Certainly Biblical Prophecy indicates that AS A NATION, Israel will not realize they bet on the wrong horse until the AntiChrist sets up his image in the rebuilt 3rd Temple in Jerusalem . . . to be worshiped as God.

THEN they begin to wake up as they are slaughtered by the thousands.

Certainly Scripture is clear that they WILL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED.


27 posted on 02/05/2011 8:53:22 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wmfights; hope_dies_last; CynicalBear

Romans 11:11-36

11So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27”and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

33Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
34”For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35”Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”

36For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.


39 posted on 02/05/2011 9:43:18 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wmfights
Until Jesus Christ returns any Jew that dies without believing The Gospel will be condemned, so if we truly love the Jews isn't it our duty to preach The Gospel to them?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and do a FWIW...Don't cut it off... :)

There are those who believe that the Gates of Hell (Abraham's Bosom) are still intact for non-believing Jews...

And there are those of us who believe that when the Rapture happens, The Holy Spirit leaves the earth with the Church (Bride)...Salvation by Grace thru faith is over with...

Those left on the earth during the Tribulation will be saved, only by their good works AND the Testimony of their belief in Jesus Christ as layed out in the Gospels...While they will be saved, they will not be part of the church...

As far as the others' beliefs in the current Abraham's Bosom, Jesus will again descend and open those gates (when Satan is dumped into Hell at the end of the Tribulation), again preach to those behind the gates and us His keys to again unlock the Gates of Hell...

And of course, Jesus made the true claim that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His church, Matt: 16...

Seems as tho there's a lot more in that BOOK than many people realize...All those little words are the most fascinating...The ones such as til, untill, shall be, then, or, etc...Seems people don't pay much attention to them...

BTW, I believe we are instructed to preach to anyone God puts in front of us...

57 posted on 02/05/2011 11:45:03 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: wmfights

You are reading way too much into the intended point.

The issue of whether or not Jews are saved by Grace alone, through Christ alone is not even being discussed here. I think this is obvious.

I am not a dispensationalist by any means. The problem being pointed out here is the antisemitic idealogies that have pervaded Christian circles, even in the reformed protestant movements, which I find has no Biblical basis and it is just another form of hate...


64 posted on 02/07/2011 8:54:18 AM PST by hope_dies_last
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