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To: paladin1_dcs
So if you think we're in the thousand years now, how do you deal with the following passage, which describes an event that has not yet happened yet.

There is an assumption here that we may not share. Can you show me from the Bible why it is that you think these events have not happened? From the Bible. Not from common sense, or human understanding, or any other such contrivance.

That sounds a whole lot like the thousand year reign of Christ.

Again, I think we are dealing with your assumptions here. Rev. 20, the “thousand years” passage says nothing about mountain upheavals, etc. And if it did, there is a strong possibly that the language would be best taken figuratively, as most of the book of revelation is about images and symbols.

Besides, it still seems as if you haven’t come to grips with the fact that the “thousand years” of Rev. 20 says nothing about Christ reigning literally on the earth. It seems like a major oversight.

You really don't believe that this has happened yet do you?

I believe the language is figurative and describes with images and symbols the reign of Messiah. (Do you honestly think these are literal swords being beaten into literal plowshares in our future? How many armies or criminals use swords these days?) Since Jesus is presently reigning, subduing all the nations, these prophecies are in the process of all being fulfilled, spiritually speaking.

All the OT prophecies must be interpreted in the light of the fuller revelation of God through Jesus Christ, the very Word of God, in the New Testament. Folks get into trouble with they try to isolate verses and apply human wisdom to the text.

217 posted on 02/10/2011 9:12:52 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54

Can I show that it hasn’t happened yet, strictly based upon the Bible? Not as such.

Can I show that it hasn’t happened yet based upon the Bible, combined with a knowledge of history? Yes.

But just to show how contrived that you’re trying to make this, can you prove that Christ existed using nothing more than the Bible? No, you cannot.

You can prove that He existed, and that the Bible is a reliable witness to the events of His life, ministry, death and resurrection via supporting historical evidence, eye witnesses and circumstancial evidence, but proving His existance via strictly Biblical sources cannot be done.

Now, understand that I do not mean that the Scriptures are not trustworthy. In fact, I find it to be just the opposite. It’s entirely trustworthy because it has been proven via historical evidence and other evidences.

Furthermore, in answer to your question about do I believe that men will beat their swords into plowshears, literally, in the future?

No, but I do believe that men will recycle their weapons into peaceful pursuits, which is the correct understanding of that verse. After all, while the firearm is a recent development, the image of the sword has been a symbol for warfare, both in the Bible as well as secular texts, for ages and continues to this very day. So again, I ask you, do you see nations recycling their arms into peaceful uses and not fighting against each other, just as the verse said?


219 posted on 02/10/2011 10:30:16 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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