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To: paladin1_dcs
It's just that I believe that there is a day coming when Satan's power is completely removed and bound, not just restrained.

The Bible does not paint a picture of an absolutely powerless Satan during the “thousand years.” Folks read too much into the imagery of Rev. 20:3, but the boundary conditions are clearly mentioned, “so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.”

By way of contrast, we have these words of Jesus:

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, " All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (Matt. 28)
Jesus has all authority on earth, not Satan. As a result of this authority, Jesus commands His disciples to go into all the nations, teaching and baptizing. Satan no longer has the power to deceive the nations. The strongman has been bound. The kingdom of God has come. All the evidence points to the fact that we are in the “thousand years” of Rev. 20.
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons."
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. (Matt. 12)
Proof of the kingdom is that Christ had the power of demons, including Satan. As far as deceiving the nations are concerned, Satan is in the abyss awaiting judgment.
214 posted on 02/10/2011 7:29:10 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54
So if you think we're in the thousand years now, how do you deal with the following passage, which describes an event that has not yet happened yet.

Isa 2:1-4 KJV - "[1] The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. [2] And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. [4] And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

That sounds a whole lot like the thousand year reign of Christ. It also sounds a lot like they're on Earth, especially that part where it says that "...And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob..." and again where it states that "...for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

I guess you could try to say that Christ did all this already, except for that part in verse 4 where it says "...and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

You really don't believe that this has happened yet do you? Do you honestly believe that the nations have put down their weapons and are not fighting against each other now do you? I think that it's pretty clear that there's an earthly reign of Christ and, according to Revelation 20, it takes place during the thousand years immediately following the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

215 posted on 02/10/2011 8:31:59 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: topcat54
One other point that I forgot to address. Before you say that this is to happen in the new Heaven and new Earth, you'll notice that one of the key points of verse three is that men will go to Jerusalem to seek instruction from the LORD.

Isa 2:3 KJV - "[3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

This cannot be the new heaven and the new earth, due to the fact that we will be inhabiting our new bodies at that time and will not need instruction on how to please God, as all corruption will have put on incorruptability.

1Cr 15:50 KJV - "[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

216 posted on 02/10/2011 8:40:50 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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