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To: RJR_fan

You latch onto that part of my statement but the crux of my point was that you all appear to disdain your Christian Brothers who hold viewpoints that bear not one ounce of relevancy to the issue of salvation. I’m just saying...maybe we should all spend more time discussing how to reach the lost than belittling those with whom we disagree. Mr. Mitchell clearly wants to be provocative. I can only venture to guess his motives, but the truth of the matter is that he is only serving to cause division among the Saints. He certainly isn’t winning anyone for Christ with this video.


74 posted on 02/04/2011 10:43:36 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican
It is a pleasure to converse with someone who avoids denigrating and insulting rhetorical adversaries. I do invoke God's favor upon your house, and appreciate the grace in your posts.

Let's take a closer look at this:

I think the key concept here is "the issue of salvation." For some people, of the pietistic disposition, the goal / end of the gospel is a moment of gnosis, which they define as "salvation." The world of men falls neatly into the camps of the saved and the unsaved, and we know who's who: the saved are those who have had this mystical experience. Pietism makes the individual soul the center of the universe. To cite Mr. Chesterton again, If you look through the tracts in the rack at the back of a typical evangelical church, you will see with depressing monotony the same idea over and over again: salvation is the goal, the end. Jesus is a salvation appliance, the means to the all-important end, the happiness of our own precious selves. Just push these buttons, pull these levers, and bazinga! Out pops one serving of personal gnosis!

Yet, suppose the universe of God's glory and purposes is somewhat larger than our own navels?

What if God intended to make us the means to His ends? What if our conversion was not the goal / end of life, but rather, the beginning of the truest life we could ever ask for? A life in the court and service of the Great King, who conscripts us to use in His ongoing project of reclaiming His creation?

One view of salvation is perfectly content to let the world go to the devil, my soul is happy, and that's all that matters. The other view of salvation takes umbrage at those things which mar the image of God in us, and in the world around us, and wages war upon personal sins, and upon offenses to God's majesty in the world at large.

I doubt that you are satisfied with a world where abortion is considered normal, where pornography and violence are standard entertainment fare, where children are sold into sexual slavery. So now the question is -- do we piously sigh, and chalk it all up to the soon coming of our Lord, who will return in disgust to wind up the whole sorry charade? Or do we rise up on our hind legs, act like men, and get moving? Your answer will to a large extent reflect your understanding of what salvation is, and what it's for, and WHO it's for.

82 posted on 02/04/2011 11:48:03 AM PST by RJR_fan (The press corpse is going through the final stages of Hopium withdrawal. That leg tingle is urine.)
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