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To: Rashputin
I'm not debating the merits of the Rapture or Dispensational theology. I take issue with the premise that we can create a “Heaven on Earth” without the direct intervention of Jesus. This guy makes it sound like man can do it alone...sorry buddy, but it ain't gonna happen that way.
I actually haven't fully made up my eschatological mind yet, but plenty of people much smarter than this guy would disagree with you both.
7 posted on 02/04/2011 12:07:24 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican
We can't do it, with that I do agree. I think we're supposed to work mightily at it, though, if you define ‘heaven on earth’ as having everyone come to Christ. I should have pointed out that I didn't agree with all he said.
10 posted on 02/04/2011 12:10:39 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: The Unknown Republican

“I take issue with the premise that we can create a “Heaven on Earth” without the direct intervention of Jesus.”

Wow, go back and watch the video again. He never asserts that we can create Heaven on earth “without Jesus”. First off, the Holy Spirit is in believers so in a sense God is here on earth. The speakers only assertion is that we are commanded to go out and be salt and light and change the world around us.
Because we are commanded to.

Too many Christians sit around and wait for the rapture and don’t get involved in politics or charity because “Jesus is coming back soon anyway”.


34 posted on 02/04/2011 2:55:05 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: The Unknown Republican; Rashputin; RJR_fan
I take issue with the premise that we can create a “Heaven on Earth” without the direct intervention of Jesus.

But even the futurist millennium is not “heaven on earth,” even with your claim of direct intervention by Jesus. There is still death and sin in the millennium. And a significant rebellion at the end, when the nations “whose number is as the sand of the sea” go up against the “camp of the saints.”

“Heaven on earth” does not come until the new heavens and new earth.

Of course the Scripture teaches that this comes about at the “day of the Lord” who comes as a thief to redo creation.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)

59 posted on 02/04/2011 8:39:59 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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