Posted on 01/29/2011 7:06:07 PM PST by Benchim
Salvation has three legs supporting the entire doctrine. Leg 1: The first Leg on the Stool is Belief in Christ. Belief means to steadfastly trust in the fact-- that Jesus is the Son of God. The Greek word is pistevo. "For God so greatly loved the world that He gave up His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
You will find nothing in the definition requiring "obedience" or "sinless" conduct . This is the foundation of antinomianism. John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
LEG 2: The second leg is that Christ died and was resurrected to atone for your sins. This in imputed righteousness. Otherwise Christs suffering meant nothing. LEG 3: The third leg which stands the stool is Savlation is a gift- by the grace of God and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God . Ephesians 2 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
“go and sin no more” Jesus said
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Probably a reason for that.
Yes -— He had not atoned yet.
Anyone who thinks we can sin as much as we want and still be saved is stupid. Pure and simple.
re: “The ‘church’ never tells you how you are saved.”
I don’t know which church you are refering to, but your statement is false. There are several Christian denominations that teach how the individual is saved - check out the Reformation and Martin Luther for just one example of salvation by God’s grace through faith in Christ alone. Read up more on church history - your about 500 years behind.
Excellent.
But that philosophy has to be based on the Bible, not on the opinion’s of men.
Any attempt to boil salvation down to a simple formula is evil. If one simply professes your three tenants without attempting to understand their full implications has fallen short.
re: Anyone who thinks they can sin all they want and still be saved. . .”
Is that what this guy is trying to say? Wow, if he is he doesn’t know the Scriptures very well.
What are your Tenants? Legalism?
That was my take but I guess I might have misunderstood. lol.
No. Your view is more legalistic than mine. I am questioning the view that tenants of any sort are sufficient. One must attempt to understand what they actually mean.
Th best example of being saved by grace is the thief on the cross. It cannot be any simpler than that. Jesus forgave him on the spot when he asked Jesus to remember him and nothing else was required of him. I will meet that thief some day.
To be saved by Christ, you need only his grace to forgive you your sins. It is a gift that we don’t deserve and cannot earn.
re: “But that philosopy has to be bases on the Bible. . .”
I completely agree, but what I stated isn’t philosophy - salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is sound Christian doctrine. Human acts of righteousness cannot remove the guilt of our sin - however, salvation is not a license to sin. The Scriptures make it very clear that although we are not saved by our “works”, so-called “faith” without works is dead - useless.
Fine. But you seem to suggest that one must profess your three tenants in order to receive that grace. I’m saying that simply professing is useless without comprehension of what you are professing. It’s not an incantation whereby the words themselves carry some magical power aside from the professor’s understanding. Insofar as a church does not encourage such comprehension, it’s teachings are evil.
So no tenants— just saved?
I sure agree. It is the example that the Legalist gag on. They want you to Tithe (not in the New Testament) . They want you to fill a seat in the Temple. They want you to worship the Bible and then tell you what it means.
Uh, no. Tenants are a good starting point, but are not sufficient unless adequately understood.
So without works our faith is useless unto salvation. That sounds like we are saved, in some part, by our works, no?
It's sound "Christian" doctrine espoused by men. That's philosophy. It's not Biblical at all, though it has become traditional.
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