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To: lastchance
I hate to use the term predestined cause there is a lot of baggage attached to it.

Men do not like the term is true..

I will state that from all time God has always known that man would fall and that He would promise them salvation. That being true He also knew how He would save us.

Of course I have no problem with God being sovereign over all the affairs of all His creation.. I will just note this for thought.. If God did not will for man to fall. .Knowing all things He could have put the trees and the snake outside of the garden.. So the fall was not only His will.. but it was in fact His plan by the placement of the trees and the snake ..

So people ask, Why would God not only allow the fall, but actually faciliate it ( I believe ordain it)

Because creation is not about us..it is about God.. if there had been no fall, we would never have seen sin..so we never would have known how Holy and Righteous God is. we never would have seen His wrath or His Mercy.. we would never have seen the fulness of God. I know many will have a hard time with this, but all creation and all the actions of men, including the fall are for His glory

Could God have chosen another way of Salvation? Yes, but He did not. Remember the angels who rebelled did so because they could not abide the idea of God humbling Himself to become one of us.

Interesting ...do we have a source for that ??

462 posted on 01/30/2011 2:06:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

I agree 100% (even if we can not fully understand how) that “but all creation and all the actions of men, including the fall are for His glory”

I’ll go even further and state I agree with the teaching that Earth was actually created by and for Christ. Such teaching makes it clear that the Incarnation was God’s will from the begining.

I’ll have to check the sources for the statement about the envy of the rebel angels. It is an ancient one and fits well with their pride and their hatred of us.


466 posted on 01/30/2011 2:19:45 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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