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To: CynicalBear; The Theophilus; Dr. Eckleburg; RJR_fan
Other then Peters own words.

That is a possibility. I was just pointing out others. At least by the time of John “Babylon” had become a word to describe the oppression and wickedness of Jerusalem.

The phrase “great city” is a reference to Jerusalem, as we see in Rev. 11:8.<< Only in the preterist attempt to fit scripture into their view. Jerusalem is never referenced as Babylon.

That's true. Revelation is a preterist book in the sense that it is a prophecy about the soon conflict against Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD70.

As I pointed out and you ignored, the phrase “the great city” is mostly clearly identified with Jerusalem in Rev. 11:8.

And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified .
Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. It had been given other spiritual names, such as Sodom and Egypt. Later on we see the city identified as the “great harlot.” This harkens back to the OT prophets, esp. Ezekiel, where we read descriptions such as:
15 "But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it. 16 You took some of your garments and adorned multicolored high places for yourself, and played the harlot on them. Such things should not happen, nor be. 17 You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them. 18 You took your embroidered garments and covered them, and you set My oil and My incense before them. 19 Also My food which I gave you--the pastry of fine flour, oil, and honey which I fed you--you set it before them as sweet incense; and so it was," says the Lord God. 20 Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter, (Eze. 16)
Israel (Jerusalem) was the wife of God. Only the wife of God could be accused of being a spiritual harlot. As is often the case of the NT using OT prophetic imagery, John uses the imagery of Ezekiel here Revelation.

We also have the distinction between the harlot (old Jerusalem) and God's wife (new Jerusalem).

No other entity fit all the symbols as well as ancient Jerusalem, who was about to experience the “days of vengeance” (Luke 21:22).

428 posted on 01/30/2011 11:37:11 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54
>> Revelation is a preterist book in the sense that it is a prophecy about the soon conflict against Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD70.<<

LOL, you just ain’t prayed up before you read Revelation. Evidently you and I will only agree on the interpretation of Revelation when it begins to happen. I won’t even say I told ya so. Promise.

>> As I pointed out and you ignored, the phrase “the great city” is mostly clearly identified with Jerusalem in Rev. 11:8.<<

Yea, I realized that after I sent that post. I was so focused on the issue as it related to Peter being in Rome. I should apologize for the confusion on my part. I really meant to point out that Jerusalem wasn’t refered to as Babylon until later.

In the context of Peter writing from the real region of Babylon rather then Rome it doesn’t change the truth.

Hey, just out of curiosity, how do you see Isaiah 19 and current events in Egypt? I know you will think Isaiah was fulfilled but I’m interested in your view of when. I need to study up so I can show how you are wrong doncha know.

433 posted on 01/30/2011 12:02:43 PM PST by CynicalBear
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