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Proddys have dealt with such issues a number of times hereon.

If some of my cohorts with to reply, they are welcome.

I have no interest in going over that again at this time.

However, perhaps this bloke re globalism etc will give you some interesting food for thought . . . I’m still watching . . . I’d rather not believe him.

However, I have so many puzzle pieces saying the same kinds of things . . . I don’t have the luxury of dismissing it out of hand.

He cites high level sources with photocopies.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/123/211-232K/

If you don’t have time to watch it now, I encourage you to copy the link and save it in a safe place and get to it when you at all can. Sometimes such things disappear.

Quix:

I have no clue that that video is and who made it. For all I know, it could be a Bob Jones production or Chick tract production.

Again, you made an historical statement that the Catholic Church in ROme did not start until 300 AD. That was “your statement”, not mine as I don’t believe it to be true and the evidence that I post seems to contradict your statement and the evidence that I posted is not just the consensus of Catholic Scholarship, or Eastern Orthodox [who are close to the Catholics in Doctrine, Dogma, and Liturgical practice], it also reflects the best work of the Anglican and Lutheran-Reformed Patristic Scholars of the late 19th and 20the century who once investigating the Patristic Corpus all came to the agreement with respect to which works were extant/authentic vs. spurrious and the works that I cited are recognized as authentic by scholars in all 4 camps that I mentioned above.

One of the greatest American Patristic Scholars of the 20th century, as Patristic studies began to flourish once the Anglican Lightfoot translated the works of the Fathers into English and gradually those works began to be studied in the U.S., was Jaroslav Pelikan, whose works on Church History were among the best that I have read.

For the record, he was an American Lutheran when he did his 5-volume work back in the 70’s but later in his life before he died, he did enter the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Perhaps you should take a look at his work if you have a negative reaction to Catholic publication are websites that have access to the writings of the early CHurch Fathers and Councils of the early Church.

There is absolutely no record of Peter having ever been in Rome. The RCC tries to rest their hope on a passage in scripture that even they have to admit doesn’t really work very well. They try to convince us that when Peter said he was writing from Babylon that he was actually in Rome and was using a coded word to refer to Rome to hide his actual wherabouts. The problem with that was that the use of the word Babylon in reference to Rome didn’t come into usage until after 70AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem long after Peter had been martyred.

On the basis of the New Testament account, it would have been very possible for Peter to write his epistle from the city or province of Babylon itself. His ministry was to the Jews, and, as writings from subsequent centuries establish, Babylon was a center of Judaism both before and long after Peter.

Embarrassingly, in the 1950s Roman Catholic archaeologists discovered a tomb in Jerusalem containing an ossuary—a bone box used in first-century Jewish burials—that bore the engraved name “Simon Bar Jona” (a name by which the apostle Peter is known in the Gospels).

The Vatican soon produced its own archaeological evidence that Peter’s tomb and remains were buried under the high altar in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. At the heart of its argument was a sarcophagus discovered in the first half of the century, which authorities began examining more closely in the years after the Second World War.

While Pope Pius XII in 1953 announced that the true remains of St Peter had been found, many scholars have remained skeptical about the significance of the discoveries. While many in the RCC want it to be true there is more evidence that it is not then opinion that it is.

Oh, okay, it was post 376 here where you notated the interesting video where the guy ties lots of pieces together, glad I found this for my own ref for when I have time/nrg to process it better

REF what Quix said and the actual link

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... don’t have the luxury of dismissing it out of hand.

He cites high level sources with photocopies.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/123/211-232K/

... copy the link and save it in a safe place and get to it when you at all can. Sometimes such things disappear.

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