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To: Quix; Judith Anne

Quix:

Lets start with your point #1. When did the CHurch of Rome [Vatican] start to exist. As someone of Italian ancestry, I find it the height of arrogance to suggest or imply that the Church of Rome was “Calvinist” or “Hyper-Calvinist” which I am beginning to think you are.

The Church of Rome was Catholic from the time St. Peter and Paul were martyred there. The writings of ST. Clement of ROme [4th Bishop], St. Ignatius of Antioch, ST. Ireneaus of Lyon in the late 1st and 2nd century confirm it. St. Cyprian of Carthage. Origen travelled and studies there in the early 3rd century.

The Council of Nicea [6th canon] which is in 325 AD, after your magic date when the “Vatican” appears cleary articulates The Church of Rome already has a Primacy in the Church.

So when did the Church of Rome [i.e the Vatican come to exists]. You seem to be wise 64 year old person [as you disclosed], which is about 20 years older than I am so maybe you can share your infinite wisdom on this question.


371 posted on 01/29/2011 3:28:19 PM PST by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

I realize such

are construed by you as reality.

Those items are not my reality.

Proddys don’t normally respect rubberized history very much.


372 posted on 01/29/2011 3:35:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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BTW, I’m not at all a Calvinist.

I do believe every verse in the Bible.


373 posted on 01/29/2011 3:36:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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