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His Grace Is Sufficient (LDS/Mormon)
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| Kimberlee B. Garrett
Posted on 01/27/2011 7:00:03 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; reaganaut
The LDS Church is Christs Church restored and therefore Christian. nope pd, the substitution is yours. There is no evidence that a restoration was needed, no evidence that smith told the truth, no evidence that the bom is true.
Still waiting to hear if you are PERFECT yet PD as Jesus commanded.
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posted on
01/28/2011 10:27:33 AM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
I don’t know. I’ll have to take a look at all of the quotes, compare them to Biblical teachings and then discuss those with her.
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posted on
01/28/2011 11:06:08 AM PST
by
SZonian
(July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
To: SZonian
To be honest, she found it to be one of the most difficult books shes ever read. Whether that means the tenets and concepts or just plain readability, I dont know.
THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 16
The wicked take the truth to be hardLehis sons marry the daughters of IshmaelThe Liahona guides their course in the wildernessMessages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to timeIshmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the bguilty taketh the ctruth to be hard, for it dcutteth them to the very center.
3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
4 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
5 And it came to pass that they did ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.
6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the avalley which he called Lemuel.
7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the adaughters of Ishmael to bwife; and also, my brethren took of the cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.
8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.
9 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ajourney into the wilderness.
10 And it came to pass that as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.
11 And it came to pass that we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.
12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.
13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place aShazer.
14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the aRed Sea.
15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.
16 And we did follow the adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.
17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.
18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did amurmur against the Lord.
21 Now it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto acomplaining against the Lord their God.
23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
24 And it came to pass that he did ainquire of the Lord, for they had bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.
30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the adirections which were given upon the ball.
31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.
34 And it came to pass that aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called bNahom.
35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to areturn again to Jerusalem.
37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.
38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman bstir up their hearts to canger.
39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.
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posted on
01/28/2011 11:24:33 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: SZonian; reaganaut; greyfoxx39; colorcountry
Not quite the point I was trying to make SZ. Modern mormon "teaching", at least as projected by many mormons here for public consumption, is close to Christianity in regards to the use of the word "grace". However, we know that before grace can even kick in HUGE requirements for a sinless life must be attained (as indicated by "The Miracle of Forgiveness"). The question framed should be does Jesus grant us an "grace" - we do what we can do and get along; or does grace come from the strict standards laid out by TMoF? They conflict with each other greatly to the point where they could be in open contradiction with each.
Unfortunately I don't sit in on lds meetings to hear what they are teaching first hand regarding 'grace'. But if it is anything like the thread article describes - someone is presenting a false teaching, either the author or Kimball. If she rejects Kimball, then Kimball would have to be a false teacher.
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posted on
01/28/2011 11:37:06 AM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
One would be tempted to presume a few are Saved by trusting in God’s Grace in Christ Jesus DESPITE the heresies and blasphemies that hallmark Mormonism. But it is frightening to consider that so many children are raised up in the heresies and become adults unable to discern the demonic path of Mormonism as anathema to the message of The Gospel of Grace which brings Born Again at that moment not after all that they can do to placate the god of Mormonism.
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posted on
01/28/2011 2:19:46 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: MHGinTN
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posted on
01/28/2011 4:56:50 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
To: MHGinTN
One would be tempted to presume a few are Saved by trusting in Gods Grace in Christ Jesus DESPITE the heresies and blasphemies that hallmark Mormonism. There is no temptation to believe that, go to www.hotm.tv and check out Shawn McCreary's story "Born Again Mormon". He states though that a truly saved individual will eventually find it unbearable to try to continue in the mormonite religion because of the absence of the Spirit of God.
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posted on
01/28/2011 8:08:18 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
I’m watch hotm.tv every week.
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posted on
01/28/2011 8:15:27 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: Godzilla
Perhaps I should clarify now that I’ve put down the spoonful of chunchy peanut butter. I watch Heart of the Matter every week (www.hotm.tv)
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posted on
01/28/2011 8:19:26 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: MHGinTN
Perhaps I should clarify now that Ive put down the spoonful of chunchy peanut butter. I have that problem some times too.
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posted on
01/28/2011 8:23:09 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
Just for you:
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posted on
01/28/2011 8:33:39 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
............wait............If I’m a swell guy like Romney, do I also get to be a god on plante Kolob? Jeez, I sure hope I can ask this of Joe Smith, too? Please let me know.
To: Godzilla
Looks like you Dudes BOTH have problems!!
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posted on
01/29/2011 5:04:58 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Iff'n ye be cartoon thieves; then ye should get GOOD ones!
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posted on
01/29/2011 5:07:53 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Utah Binger
Or at least steal them from a fine art gallery!
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posted on
01/29/2011 5:09:47 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
If yer ever at UB's place; PLEASE!, buy some ART!, before it fossilizes and turns to weathered sandstone upon his wall!
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posted on
01/29/2011 5:38:59 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Looks like its a slow day.
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posted on
01/29/2011 6:41:56 AM PST
by
Utah Binger
(Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
To: Paragon Defender
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I find it rather amusing that you have to resort to this tacky graphic propaganda so frequently. Don’t want folks looking for the truth themselves now do we? /smile
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